Druids

[melancolly]

does anyone have a view on druid
do you think they are to powerful and do they really get all the spells in the players handbook
if so do they get all the spells in all the books

[Fiberfar]

The druid is not to powerful IMO.
what do you mean "they get all the spells" in the PHB?
There are spells restricted to Druids, spells restricted to cleric and so on....
IIRC they can't take spells that belong to the opposed alignment...

[melancolly]

when i started runing d@d 3 years ago one of my players anouced that he had access to all the druid spells and now that charector is 11lvl and seems to be overpowering other players

[Fiberfar]

I thought you meant he got all the spells in the PHB..

Well, that dipends on the other player, what classes are they and what spells have your Druid chosen? If he has only chosen damage and death spells and have a high wisdom score, I can see why he is outpowering the other players.

But as I said, I think Druids are restricted to spells that fit with their alignment.

I.e a lawful neutral druid can't take a spell that got a chaotic descriptor ( I am not 100% sure on this though)

[The Great Hairy]

How is the Druid PC overpowered? What are they doing to gain more power than the other players? And what do you mean by "access to all druid spells"?

Fiberfar is correct - druids can not cast spells of the opposite alignment descriptor. So a CN druid can not cast spells with the Lawful descriptor, for example.

Cheers,
TGHO

[Volk]

Which kinda forces druids to stay True Neutral that way they can cast all their spells.

Druids are very underplayed in most groups, but their incredibly powerfull if played correctly due to some of their high level spells and shifting abilities.

[Fiberfar]

Originally Posted by Volk

Which kinda forces druids to stay True Neutral that way they can cast all their spells.

I think True Neutral druids have to choose a alignment that will work as their opposite alignment.

[Mr.Waesel]

The druid is a class based around polymorphing, a broken concept of itself. I personally think this is one of the most powerful classes in the game.

[Rob-hin]

Originally Posted by Fiberfar

I think True Neutral druids have to choose a alignment that will work as their opposite alignment.

I don't think so.
In my opinion, a true druid should be true neutral. That's nature's way.

@ Mr Weasel
I somewhat agree. It depends on some points.
First of, level. A low lever druid is pretty weak IMO, the lower spells just aren't that great and good abilities come later.
Second, a point we argue about a bit in our group, polymorphing and HP. I say you get 2 HP levels, one as your true self and another for your beast form. You can also say though that wen you get more morphs per day that you get more animal forms and thus a lot of HP. HP as your true self and for every single one of your beast forms.

[Volk]

True Neutral druids do not need to select a prohibited alignment unless its a house rule, its the bonus a druid gets for selecting the alignment that best fits his class.

[The Great Hairy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Waesel

The druid is a class based around polymorphing, a broken concept of itself. I personally think this is one of the most powerful classes in the game.

If you go by the exact letter of the rules, then yes. However if you use some common sense, then no. I've read the discussion about polymorphing that was on one of those forums you pointed me at, Mr.Waesel, and I was rather surprised that any of those people, all of whom have many, many years of roleplaying under their belts, didn't just say "well, we house-rule it like this".

I mean, really. Yes it's broken. We all know that. Fix it with house-rules. That's what they're there for.

So Druids can be powerful as they reach the higher levels. However this is balanced out by their limitations. Usually Druids in the games I run still have to belong to a Druidic order, and have a lot of duties and responsibilities tied back into that order.

Cheers,
TGHO

[iron30]

High Level Monks are overpowered in my opinion ( I hate monks I don't allow them in my campaign ) but Druids I find kind of weak even at higher levels.

What exactly is so overpowering about a druid anyway ?

[Fiberfar]

We did not say they were overpowering.... But a Lv.20 druid can shift into many nasty creatures, like a huge elemental (at least I think it is huge)

[melancolly]

thanks for all ye tips . the druid in question overpowers the other players because whenever a problem arises they always have a spell to deal with it . i think the druid is a very good all rounder whatever the situation .

[jopperm2]

I don't think the Druid is overpowered, but if you are having trouble with a true neautral you should just hold them to the true neutral alignment much stricter than the other characters.. If he leans too far one way or another, force him to change to that way at least temporarily, or restrict XP for not RPing the alignment.