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Kameleon · #16 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 05:27 PM

Why does everyone who's never played a paladin seem to think that BH is a skill that most of them think is their best? I don't rate Blessed Hammer at all, personally I make HyperZealots (Zeal, Fanaticism and a fast weapon for a 4-frame attack...) or Avengers (Vengeance/Conviction). Since they nerfed BH hugely it's crap...

Tybaltus · #17 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 05:40 PM

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Why does everyone who's never played a paladin seem to think that BH is a skill that most of them think is their best? I don't rate Blessed Hammer at all, personally I make HyperZealots (Zeal, Fanaticism and a fast weapon for a 4-frame attack...) or Avengers (Vengeance/Conviction). Since they nerfed BH hugely it's crap...

You assume too much. The only character I really havent played is a sorceress. I have a level 55 paladin, and on 1player, that is really good.

But I just dont have fun with him. The auras are the only thing thats really substantial, and the patch that fixed the holy shock aura, made it SO powerful, which made the Paladin the king of cheese. Concentration being the other notable aura. (All others are quite good, but dont make my notable list)

I singled out BH, because my friend used it all the time and said it was the best. I couldnt help but disagree. We had quite a few comical debates about it.

Ah the stories I can tell.

Zeal/Fanaticism is good, agreed. But Zeal makes it that much more difficult to run away and you could get surrounded...

Kameleon · #18 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 05:43 PM

Do you have LOD?

Fanaticism in SP is as good as Conc and then some. And Holy Shock isn't broken - the 1-??? range means it's just as likely to do 1 damage as 300...

Tybaltus · #19 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 05:48 PM

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Do you have LOD?

Fanaticism in SP is as good as Conc and then some. And Holy Shock isn't broken - the 1-??? range means it's just as likely to do 1 damage as 300...

Hell yes. Holy shock was awful before the expansion...

I maybe so, but if you focused on Conc. before you got Fanaticism, Conc is better.

And it doesnt matter whether it goes from 1-whatever...it always seems to favor the bigger numbers, and the amount you hit, chances are, youre going to get some monster hits.

EDIT-How could I like the Druid if I didnt have LOD?

Kameleon · #20 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 05:53 PM

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I maybe so, but if you focused on Conc. before you got Fanaticism, Conc is better.

OTTOMH, at slvl 20, Conc does 350% ED. At slvl 20, Fanaticism does 373% ED, +35% Attack speed and +135% AR. Surely there's no contest?

And Zeal in LOD was limited to 5 hits, so you could never get stuck in a group. Not when you're taking less time to do those hits than a Barb takes to do one Concentrate with a Pike...

The Z · #21 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 05:53 PM

Since my bro and I usually play in a party, and since he's a paladin, I've had the most success/fun with the Necromancer and Sorceress. But I prefer the Sorc, since she's got all those nifty elemental spells. Using frozen orb and chain lightning, while having thunderstorm and energy shield up is a blast (while teleporing to and fro, and having a hydra summoned).

Tybaltus · #22 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:01 PM

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OTTOMH, at slvl 20, Conc does 350% ED. At slvl 20, Fanaticism does 373% ED, +35% Attack speed and +135% AR. Surely there's no contest?

And Zeal in LOD was limited to 5 hits, so you could never get stuck in a group. Not when you're taking less time to do those hits than a Barb takes to do one Concentrate with a Pike...

OTTOMH?

Well maybe youre right, because now that I come to think about it, I never really invested in either....usually it was just the all resist aura and the holy shock. I used Conc. when around enimies immune to lightning. So that was a rarity aswell.

Zeal, its only worth one level of effort. Still, Im not putting down zeal. I used it all the time.

All this stuff isnt that exciting though...I mean whether the paladin had the most potential to kick the enimies, it matters naught, because he wasnt as much FUN, IMO.

Kameleon · #23 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:01 PM

Mmmm...Frozen Orb/Firewall Sorc...with a Paladin with Conviction...running Hell Meph...with about 450% MF...yummy

The Z · #24 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:05 PM

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Mmmm...Frozen Orb/Firewall Sorc...with a Paladin with Conviction...running Hell Meph...with about 450% MF...yummy

Yes...it's very fun

....though it was also fun with a Necromancer and Corpse Explosion before LoD.....

Kameleon · #25 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:06 PM

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OTTOMH?

Well maybe youre right, because now that I come to think about it, I never really invested in either....usually it was just the all resist aura and the holy shock. I used Conc. when around enimies immune to lightning. So that was a rarity aswell.

Zeal, its only worth one level of effort. Still, Im not putting down zeal. I used it all the time.

All this stuff isnt that exciting though...I mean whether the paladin had the most potential to kick the enimies, it matters naught, because he wasnt as much FUN, IMO.

Off the top of my head - I think those stats are right, but it's been a year

Well, it looks like you didn't play your paladin to the best of his ability. Your decision. Oh, and Zeal, as the best Paladin Combat skill, is ESSENTIAL to have 4 points in to get your 5 hits...even if your build is gonna be something else, the mana cost is so low you'll be switching back to it for health and mana leeching and recovery.

To each his own...I found the paladin to be the most fun class, because you have to have some skill when playing it rather than just clicking like mad...aura management is the most fun thing in D2, IMO...

The Z · #26 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:07 PM

I thought Thorns was always a good aura if points were invested in it.

Tybaltus · #27 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:11 PM

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Well, it looks like you didn't play your paladin to the best of his ability. Your decision. Oh, and Zeal, as the best Paladin Combat skill, is ESSENTIAL to have 4 points in to get your 5 hits...even if your build is gonna be something else, the mana cost is so low you'll be switching back to it for health and mana leeching and recovery.

To each his own...I found the paladin to be the most fun class, because you have to have some skill when playing it rather than just clicking like mad...aura management is the most fun thing in D2, IMO...

Well have you actaully played with a paladin with a maxed out holy shock? Hmmmm?

Well I certainly didnt play/buy Diablo for the gaming or the skill. I baught it for entertainment and stress relief. I played BG1, BG2, and IWD the whole time. Thats when I was in my strategical moods and thinking. Was I in the mood for really thinking while playing DII? I sure as hell hope not. I needed some hack and slash action after another day in the trenches. But for the record, summoning was a big thing for me, as you can plainly see-druid and necromancer.

Taco Magus · #28 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:15 PM

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Was I in the mood for really thinking while playing DII? I sure as hell hope not.

Heh i dont think anyone thinks much when playing D2.i remember many nights playing wthi one eye shut and the other just barely open.

BTW how do u get Orignally posted by <name> in your quote?

The Z · #29 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:16 PM

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Heh i dont think anyone thinks much when playing D2.i remember many nights playing wthi one eye shut and the other just barely open.

BTW how do u get Orignally posted by <name> in your quote?

See the little "Quote" Button underneath IP: Logged on the post? Click that

EDIT- It's on the bottom right of each post

Kameleon · #30 (**permalink**) 12-07-2002, 06:18 PM

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Well have you actaully played with a paladin with a maxed out holy shock? Hmmmm?

Yes. In fact, I defy you to name a viable build of paladin that I haven't played...The strangest, I think, was a Paladin concentrating on Might and Sacrifice...life leech was the key, but it actually worked. This was for an 8PT (8 Paladin Team - you all play different builds with different auras, to get maximum benefit) and we had heaps of fun.