Warforged monk

Stilgar · #1 (**permalink**) 10-26-2004, 08:41 AM

Is a warforged monk possible, cause of his natural armor?
(Not natural armor, but the extra bonus he gets instead of wearing an armor)
I know its possible, but will the warforged get the bonusses for not wearing armor a monk gets?

I cant find anywere if this counts as wearing an armor or not.

Rob-hin · #2 (**permalink**) 10-26-2004, 09:05 AM

I've never played Eberon myself but I'm a d&d player, Forgotten Realms mostly, keep that in mind.

I'd say yes, a warforged can play a monk with additional bonusses. If it's not said anywhere that it's not possible, then it is possible.
His armor bonus is 'natural' so I don't think it counts as actuall armor. It's no different then a dragon hide natural armor bonus on a half dragon IMO.

The only thing I can think of is that a monk needs to be fast, a warforged doesn't look fast to me. But I don't know it's racial modifiers.

Stilgar · #3 (**permalink**) 10-26-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob-hin

His armor bonus is 'natural' so I don't think it counts as actuall armor. It's no different then a dragon hide natural armor bonus on a half dragon IMO.

Well thats the problem, it does explicit say that its NOT natural armor, and comes instead of normal armor (the one you would wear)

PS. Landspeed is 30ft. for the warforged.

Rob-hin · #4 (**permalink**) 10-26-2004, 11:40 AM

But what are his stat modifiers?
Like for an elf: +2 dex -2 con

It doesn't really matter that much, but it gives a good idea if a warforged is cut out to be a monk.

I think that it mentions that it replaces natural armor just to indicate if it stacks or not. In this case, it doesn't stack since it is, sort of, and natural armor.

Example:
A dragon has a natural armor of +3
He wears a amulet of natural armor +2
His natural armor is +3 as they don't stack.

If the amulet was +5, then his natural armor would be +5

In my opinion, a warforged doesn't wear armor and sounds like an excellent monk. (if he doesn't have -2 on dex)

Stilgar · #5 (**permalink**) 10-27-2004, 08:45 AM

I dont have the campaign setting here at the moment, but from my head the warforged gets:
+2 Con
-2 Wis
-2 Cha

The Great Hairy · #6 (**permalink**) 10-27-2004, 08:16 PM

The -2 Wis will hurt the Monk slightly, but not a great deal. It certainly means that there are not going to be many Paladin Warforged!

I'm looking at the Eberron book currently (well, not right now, I'm at work!) and it's not really impressing me. I don't like Warforged simply because they are meant to be constructs, but to ensure that they are a viable player race, all of the construct rules are broken! And the output to make one... Sheesh. Just raise a dozen zombies, they are cheaper and more resilient than a Warforged.

Cheers,
TGHO

Aegis · #7 (**permalink**) 10-27-2004, 10:26 PM

The way I see it, the Warforged should not be monks, and for a very good reason. The yare constructs, and built to be neutral (as it even states in the Eberron book). Now, it doesn't stat that it is written in stone, but the it is the general trend of the Warforged. This sort of thing should be left up to the DM, and whether they would allow a Warforged Monk.

With that said, because Monk's earn a natural AC bonus (unless I'm mistaken, which is quite possible), and Warforged seem to be giving an armour which is stackable with natural armour (the composite plating does not stack with any, but natural armour), a Warforged monk could quite possibly benefit from the monk's AC bonus's from Wisdom, Dex and levels.

Ickus · #8 (**permalink**) 06-22-2005, 08:44 PM

It actually states indirectly that warforged can be monks. Page 38.

I would however rule that you cannot take the adamantine or mithril body feats. As they both count as having armor.

Ickus

Aegis · #9 (**permalink**) 06-24-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ickus

It actually states indirectly that warforged can be monks. Page 38.

I would however rule that you cannot take the adamantine or mithril body feats. As they both count as having armor.

Ickus

Fair enough. I was merely stating that if I were to run an Eberron campaign, the player would have to do a lot of convincing for me to let him play a Warforged monk. Especially considering that screams twinking out on a whole new level.

Siberys · #10 (**permalink**) 06-24-2005, 01:35 PM

HAH, clearing this up for you. In ACTUAL statistics Warforged CANNOT be monks without a certain warforged feat called "Unarmored body" which takes your shell off. This is in the Races of eberron book that I have, and I thought I'd clear this up for you all.

It states specifically-
"Unarmored Body-
This takes the armor off of a warforged allowing it to cast spells easier and BECOME a monk."

Mr.Waesel · #11 (**permalink**) 06-25-2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siberys

HAH, clearing this up for you. In ACTUAL statistics Warforged CANNOT be monks without a certain warforged feat called "Unarmored body" which takes your shell off. This is in the Races of eberron book that I have, and I thought I'd clear this up for you all.

It states specifically-
"Unarmored Body-
This takes the armor off of a warforged allowing it to cast spells easier and BECOME a monk."

Hahahaha, that's horrible!

Gwalchmai · #12 (**permalink**) 07-02-2005, 10:34 AM

Makes sense, though. I'd been wondering about that....

neoshade · #13 (**permalink**) 09-30-2006, 02:20 PM

RACES OF EBERRON, P120
Unarmored Body [Warforged]
Your body is crafted without its normal layer of armor, trading off physical strength for magical potential.
Prequisites: Warforged, 1st level only.
Benefit: You loose the normal +2 armor bonus and light fortification common to warforged characters, but you have no inherent chance of arcane spell failure and can wear armor or magic robes and gain their full effects.
Special: Unlike most feats, this feat must be taken at 1st level, during character creation. If you later select any warforged feat that grants or adjusts an armor bonus or damage reduction, you loose this feat and all its effects.

No mention of "...and become a monk."

RACES OF EBERRON, P23
Monk: Monk is a good class choice for a warforged character. Monks do not normally wear armor, so the armor bonus inherent to the race is a great advantage. You can choose to increase that advantage with Adamantine Body or Mithral Body, but both of those feats cause you to take penalties to skills important to most monks. Consider taking Cold Iron Tracery or Silver Tracery. These feats allow your unarmed strikes to overcome types of damage reduction that you must normally find monk weapons of the right material to defeat. Unlike your natural slam attack, your unarmed strikes do not deal 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus in extra damage. If you wish to do that, you must forego your unarmed strike damge and monk abilities, making only a single slam attack.
When a warforged monk gains the wholeness of body ability, he can use that ability to repair damage he has taken.

It would appear that the composite armor plating inherent to a warforged is an advantage in the Monk class, not a disadvantage.

Ultimately, it's the DM's call.