Shadow Weave Spells

[sithari]

Well, i'm playing a shadow adept who wants to create some new spells sthing like this...
Weave Block
lvl:7
casting time:1action
duration:1rd/lvl
This spell gives total immunity to the caster to all Weave based spells from 0lvl to 6thlvl.

another spell i'm researching now for the Shadow Weave but i think it can be researched for the Weave too...
Necromantic Shield
lvl:5
casting time:1action
duration:1rd/lvl
This spell stops all schools of magic from opperating on the caster except from Necromancy.Which includes magic items but not artifacts.

What do u think?
Sorry for the pour discriptions but i think u can imagine anythiung u want, like shadowy flames allover the casters body etc...

[Ripe]

Weave Block
lvl:7
casting time:1action
duration:1rd/lvl
This spell gives total immunity to the caster to all Weave based spells from 0lvl to 6thlvl.

8th level Protection from spells give you only +8 to saving throw. So either add XP cost to this spell (minimum 2000 XP, probably 2500 XP) or say that while this spell is in effect your spells cannot afect Weave user. And I presume you ment spells cast by Weave user, not Weave based spells.

Necromantic Shield
lvl:5
casting time:1action
duration:1rd/lvl
This spell stops all schools of magic from opperating on the caster except from Necromancy.Which includes magic items but not artifacts.

Again, 8th level Protection from spells give you only +8 to saving throw, so you can say that this spell give you +5 to saving throws against all spells other than Necromancy spells.

In short I think that both of those spells are too powerfull when compared to existing spells.

Edit: I just remembered something else - according to Faiths & Pantheons Mystra has Magic and Spells under her portfolio, which means that every new spell that is developed somewhere in FR must be approved by Mystra (regardless if that spell uses Weave or Shadow Weave).
Do you think that Mystra would allow Weave Block spell?

[Mr.Waesel]

We have a Forgotten Realms forum, and the (Shadow) Weave is exclusive to FR.

That said, I agree with Ripe in that these spells are too powerful when compared to existing spells. I'd say the first it 8th or 9th level and the second would be level 9.

[Rob-hin]

Thread copied to the Forgotten Realms forum.

[sithari]

well... about the protection... Globe of invunerability protects u from ALL spells...so i think i'll make the Weave Block 8thlvl .u're wright.
about the Necromantic Shield... most of your magic items wont work and u'll be able to cast only Necromancy spells...more over the spell isn't dismissable...about Mystra ithink she doesn't have any power to the shadow weave.Also i think she interfierce only when something is harmfull to the weave or very destructive but i' not sure about that...

[sithari]

Another Spell coming...
Dark Armor
lvl:2
duration:1h/lvl
this works like MAge Armor except that it gives u 3+1/2lvl armour bonus to AC.

Necromantic Bolt
lvl:2
this works like magic missile except that the bolts are made of Necromantic Energy and the damaged caused is transfered to u as healing energy or harming energy if your undead.

[Ripe]

Originally Posted by sithari

well... about the protection... Globe of invunerability protects u from ALL spells...so i think i'll make the Weave Block 8thlvl .u're wright.
about the Necromantic Shield... most of your magic items wont work and u'll be able to cast only Necromancy spells...more over the spell isn't dismissable...

Globe of Invulnerability is 6th level spell that blocks only spells that are levels 1 through 4. (Minor version is 4th level and block spell of levels 1-3, so any similar 8th level spell would block only spells of level 1-5) So even if you make it 8th level it is still too powerfull.

If your Necromantic shield prevents you from casting any spell other than spels from school of Necromancy and it stop any magic item not using Necromancy to affect you (and I assume that include Bracers of Armor, Rings of Protection and other items you may be wearing) than I'd say it is even of too high level because penalties overweight any gain.

...about Mystra ithink she doesn't have any power to the shadow weave.Also i think she interfierce only when something is harmfull to the weave or very destructive but i' not sure about that...

True, she do not have power over Shadow Weave, but she have power over SPELLS. And even if she allows your Weave Block spell, she would create Shadow Weave Block spell that would be exact opposite of yours and she would made it available to all Weave users.

Dark Armor
lvl:2
duration:1h/lvl
this works like MAge Armor except that it gives u 3+1/2lvl armour bonus to AC.

You should limit maximum bonus you get for caster level (say 3 + 1/2levels, maximum +5). Keep in mind that Epic Mage Armor spell require Spellcraft DC of 46 and gives you only +20 to AC. At 20th level your spell gives you +13 to AC which is way to much for a 2nd level spell especially compared to existing Epic spell.

Necromantic Bolt
lvl:2
this works like magic missile except that the bolts are made of Necromantic Energy and the damaged caused is transfered to u as healing energy or harming energy if your undead.

Since I only have my PHB with me at the moment I can't check other sources, but closest PHB spell that does what you propose is Vampiric Touch, which is 3rd level and at 10th level it deals 5d6 damage (5-30) to a single target, while your Necromantic Ball at same level deals 5d4+5 (10-25) points of damage to up to 5 targets. On the other hand max damage for Vampiric Touch is 10d6 at 20th level so my advise is to raise your spell to 3rd level and you keep reciving a bolt every 2 caster level to a maximum of 10 bolts at 19th level. That way at 20th level Vampiric Touch deals 10d6 (10-60) points of damage, while your Necromantic bolt deals 10d4+10 (20-50) points of damage. That 10 points of damage is compensated by ability to spread that damage to up to 10 targets.

[sithari]

Some good points there thanx. About the Shadow Weave Block i'm sure it would hapen but what do u mean available to everybody??? THose that researche it those that find or copy it hope u mean

[Ripe]

Originally Posted by sithari

Some good points there thanx. About the Shadow Weave Block i'm sure it would hapen but what do u mean available to everybody??? THose that researche it those that find or copy it hope u mean

Like I said, Mystra is godess of magic with dominion over spells. If she would allow you, a Shadow Weave user and (you did not mention it but I assume) follower of Shar, a spell that would give huge advantage to Shadow Weave users (and other followers of Shar), do you not think that she would not made opposite spell (Shadow Weave block) immediatly available to Magister and all of her Chosen, who would then probably spread that spell to other Weave users (that is what I ment when I said everyone). I'm not sure that she would allow such a spell becuase it would be too disruptive to Weave (and opposite spell would be disruptive of Shadow Weave).

[norforfnorn]

the shadow weave isn't necromantic power, far from it, it is a different type of weave all together based off of SHADOWS not necromancy and Mystra only has power over it because its still part of the weave because thats where it originally came from till Karsus's folly and the death of Mystral and thats when the old Mystra came to be and she put a stop to all spells 10th lvl - 12 lvl, but as she did this the weave split and guess who found out... thats right Shar found it and took control, to an extent whereas Mystra still has complete dominance, but Shar has put so many restrictions on it that if Mystra ever found out that person would be stripped of all there magic before she could do anything, so to put an end to my rant

stop thinking that the shadow weave is enhanced necromancy because, it isn't and wont ever be and if you want to read up on this fact why don't you read the return of the archwizards trilogy

[Siberys]

True, it's not enhanced necromancy, but apparently you don't know who or what is controlling the weave.

As it says in the forgotten realms campaign setting, the weave is not only under full control from Shar, but Shar was the one who created the weave to begin with, and Mystra barely knows about it whatsoever.

Mystra is the god of the natural weave, the shadow weave is near the opposite of natural. For one, people slowly slip into madness when using it if Shar decides not to help, plus it's a completely different weave that the more you use the shadow weave, the less you'll ever use the normal weave, to the point where all your spells are shadow weave spells.

And whatever it says in a novel is irrelevant as we're talking character sheets and stats in this thread, not meaning and origin.

[norforfnorn]

no the shadow weave is just gaps in the weave filled in with shadow that mystra still can control but knows nothing about therefore shar has absolute control only because of mystras ignorance, but i could be wrong just from my friend telling me that mystra is basically the weave and would know if the shadow weave existed or not

[Magrus]

Originally Posted by norforfnorn

no the shadow weave is just gaps in the weave filled in with shadow that mystra still can control but knows nothing about therefore shar has absolute control only because of mystras ignorance, but i could be wrong just from my friend telling me that mystra is basically the weave and would know if the shadow weave existed or not

Unfortunately, you happen to be wrong. There are rule books discussing that which you are mentioning in which you could read for clarification.

[Crenshinibon]

Yes, Magrus is right. If I am allowed to I could type up the introduction to the Shadow Magic from the Tome of Magic. Perhaps that would shed some light on this.

Also, to the creator of the spells: I do not mean to be insulting but your spells, they seem rather cliche and bland. You might want to invest more time into them. Write a better description, create a history or scenario where a character discovered this spell. Try thinking of spells that could have multiple uses, some that could give a strategic advantage.

[Siberys]

Originally Posted by norforfnorn

no the shadow weave is just gaps in the weave filled in with shadow that mystra still can control but knows nothing about therefore shar has absolute control only because of mystras ignorance, but i could be wrong just from my friend telling me that mystra is basically the weave and would know if the shadow weave existed or not

You may be right according to the novels, but not every DM has the novels, and a DM who is running a forgotten realms campaign will more than likely go with the rules rather than the novels even if he had both for reference.