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Old 01-24-2002, 07:14 PM
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Who is this Telamont guy they're talking about?
Wow, that's a long story. Okay, we'll start at the begining. Here's Telemont's profile back when he was known as Shadow, prior to the fall of Netheril. This excerpt is taken from Netheril: Empire of Magic:

Shadow
Birth/Death: 3214-3469 Netheril Calendar (note: Shadow didn't die in 3469, just disapeared)
Alignment: Lawful neutral
Class: 28th-level arcanist (mentalist)
Hit Points: 47
Str 15; Dex 17; Con 15; Int 20; Wis 14; Cha 13
This ingenious arcanist was the first to theorize of demiplanes. His research was banned and assassins were sent to claim his life for his theories. With the backing of Karsus, however, he published conclusive proof of the existence of the demiplanes. The first plane discovered was named after the arcanist, and dozens of other arcanists entered the demiplane to discover its proper-ties. Many never returned, but those who did exclaimed that the plane was appropriately named: the Demiplane of Shadow.
In 3469, Shadow became involved with a beautiful bard from Ioulaum, Alashar Crywinds. As the two planned to get married, however, Alashar revealed that she was actually an assassin sent to slay the arcanist for his work on demiplanes—this despite the fact that the death mark had been lifted years earlier—by the arcanist Grenway. Since neither could stand the thought of killing the other, they came up with a different plan.
Shadow’s research had provided him with the knowledge he needed to transfer himself into the Demiplane of Shadow, leaving his physical form behind on the Prime Material Plane. Creating a simulacrum of Alashar, they sent her duplicate back to the arcanist Grenway to report her success (where she was promptly executed). Karsus oversaw the marriage of the two in a secret ceremony, and Shadow cast his spell that drew them both into the Demiplane of Shadow forever.

Now here's the up to date info of Telemont as he is today. This excerpt is taken from Lords of Darkness:

The Netherese arcanist known as High Prince Telemont Tanthul (NE male shade Wiz20/Acm5/Sha10) is one of the most powerful mages now in Faerun. He was known once, thousands of years ago, as Lord Shadow. One of the few remaining citizens of Netheril who survived the destruction of the empire, he rules the Shadovars with absolute authority. When he considers the time to be right, Telemont plans to reveal to the Shadovars the fact that he is the Lord Shadow of legend, inspiring them to victory.
Well over two millennia old, Telemont preserves his life by means of powerful magic, such as wish spells. This process has been made easier by virtue of the fact that he is no longer human, but rather an outsider. The natural lifespan of a shade is many times longer than that of an ordinary human. However, Telemont acknowledges reluctantly that as his outsider body begins to fail, stronger measures are required to keep him alive. He has not yet decided on the best means of continuing his existence, but the Shadovars return to Faerun offers a wealth of possibilities, including transformation into an undead creature.
Telemont has taken great pains to preserve what he believed were the best elements of Netherese society and merge them with the characteristics necessary for survival on the hostile Plane of Shadow. The result is a society bound by formality and regimentation, in which even the most mundane aspects of daily life have some level of ritual bound up in their execution. In this fashion order is maintained, but more important, so is continuity of culture from century to century. As the final arbiter of all that transpires in the City of Shade, in many ways Telemont is the city. His subjects view him as the living embodiment of all their customs, beliefs, and values. And that is exactly how Telemont sees himself as well.
Those who meet the High Prince encounter someone who has had millennia to practice keeping his true thoughts and feelings in check. Telemont is as difficult to read as he is to bluff. Even his sons rarely know what their father is thinking behind his impermeable mask of glacial calm. Despite his inexpressive exterior, Telemont’s mind is always in motion. At heart the High Prince is an autocrat. His determination to lead his city stems from a strong inner conviction that no other indivisual could possibly be as successful at it as he considers himself to be.
Still tall and robust despite his age, the High Prince cuts an imposing figure whether seated on his floating throne or presiding over ceremonies in the streets of the city. Whenever he appears in public, the High Prince prefers to wear the traditional dark armor of the Netherese Imperium, with its dragon-winged overmantle, stylized vambraces, and flowing, dark purple robes.

As you can see, Telemont's personality underwent a bit of a change over those two thousand years (being on the Plane of Shadow will do that to you). He's basically an ancient Netherese arcanist who is now a shade and wielder of the dark magics of the Shadow Weave.

(Whew! Copying all that stuff was a pain in the ass!)
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Old 01-24-2002, 07:30 PM
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So, here's a follow up... What was the deal with Netheril?
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okay, i'm still plowing my way through all the source books and novels, but its and old empire of of powerful wizards that fell aprt of time. it was ment ot be the greatest human civilisation of all time.

think rome. thats what its like. more info as soon as i have it...
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Old 01-25-2002, 04:14 PM
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You can download Arcane Age: Netheril - Empire of Magic for free off the Wizards of the Coast page. How the Mighty are Fallen also covers Netheril. They'll answer most of your questions.
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Old 01-26-2002, 07:37 AM
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As for the most powerful spellcaster on Evermeet, probably among all the elves, is none other than Amlaruil, the queen, she was head of the tower of magic before she became the queen. Now the man in Iriaebor(sp.) is Morhion Gendahar(sp.) The problem with the magister being the most powerful mage is, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't elminster once hold that title?
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Old 01-26-2002, 07:42 AM
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that could well be, but i think that mystra would have stripped him of his "extra" magister powers when he was cast down. this is only an idea, i havnt read about it. yet...
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Old 01-28-2002, 04:55 AM
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Old 03-01-2002, 09:36 AM
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The magister could potiently be the most powerful spellcaster but in 3e it's a template. The current magister has 25 CR i believe. (Elminster is a 45 CR creature, heh, heh)
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Old 03-01-2002, 09:54 AM
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Actually, Elminster's CR was errated down to 39. Folks on the Wizards board have pointed out that with his caster level, poor Elminster would have a hard time even getting past Telemont's Spell Resistence.
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Old 03-01-2002, 02:48 PM
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oops, thanx for the correction.
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Old 04-09-2002, 01:17 AM
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I would have thought Elminster would easily be the most powerful character in the Realms, not because of levels or statistics, but simply that Elminster is the Forgotten Realms incarnation of Ed Greenwood who originally designed the campaign.
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Old 04-19-2002, 08:45 AM
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As far as im concerned, the best ( possibly not most powerfull ) spellscaster is however can cast the following spells

Bigby's Obscene Finger
Lice Storm
Otto's Irresistible Break Dance
Power Word, Annoy
Rock to Stone
Melfs Acid trip
magic miss all (range 0)
Bigby's Sucker Punch
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Old 04-19-2002, 01:30 PM
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:13 PM
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My bet on the strongest wizard would be Larloch

The Magister's immunity to those wizards' fireball spells, was probably a chosen style Spell immunity.

The magister did say that all young wizards seem to like using fireballs.

Also, from what i recall, generally the change in the office of magister is because the previous one gets defeated by the new one.

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Anyway, Larloch, a lich and arch-wizard of Netheril. One of the people who directly studied the Nether scrolls and still has some.

Meta-magic mastery exceeding most gods, and absolute spell reflection(to spells of any level... definitely better than the Magister's ability).

Not to mention that he has replicated the chosen's 1 spell per level immunity by himself.

Plus, he's joined in a mental link to 60+ liches, many of them also from Netheril. (Just there age and achievement of archwizard status long before Elminster and the rest were born, gives them an advantage).

This all coupled with his massive plane walking experience, and primary focus on increasing his magical knowledge(unlike Shade who's more interested in politics), and he has a one-up on the Simbul's planewalking experience too(which is likely the reason that she's better than Elminster).

Halaster is technically also of a higher level than Elminster, and he's also a serious planewalker, but in their visit to Hell. Halaster did not do well, while the Simbul was quite confident.

Halaster or Elminster may actually outstrip the Simbul in overall magical knowledge(of the non-combat kind), but there's no way to be sure.

There's always the possibility that the Simbul's confidence in Hell derives from a source similar to Sysquemalyn(apprentice of Lady Polaris of Netheril), whose magical knowledge may not have been very extensive, but time spent with Demons and Devils, led to her acquiring magical knowledge that allowed her to best them all and then later give a decent beating to Lady Polaris, who was an Archmage of Netheril.

On the whole though, i'd say that Larloch is probably the strongest. In battle and otherwise. Besides his various sources(Nether scrolls, trips across the planes, developments of his servant wizards, millenia of experience), he is practically the only mage out of the lot who has focussed primarily on magic instead of politics and other mundane issues.

Too bad none of the novels focusses on him.

Hmm... i might even consider him superior to Karsus... mostly due to experience.
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:49 PM
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Nice Zsych, waita ressurrect this old thread AND contribute something useful to it . If all you said is true I'll have to agree with you, though I too had considered Elmister the most powerful up until this point.
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