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Old 05-08-2002, 05:36 PM
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Yeah, I have Gronmir to fight, too.
Anyway. Discovered that cone of cold does *some* damage to Yaga Shura. You still need like 20 of them...
And weapons-spells with multiple damages, each will do always one point.... so you're right Leonardo, Magic Missile will do 5 points, also the halberd Dragon Breath will do 5 points per hit...
You have to plan each attack carefully....

Been perfectioning my strategy.... now I have multiple Simmies and Project Images who cross their Time Stop,
using Time Stop immunity..

Today's Results:

- Promising battle, Abazigal still alive. PC crushed.
(Yaga Shura dead for the first time)

- Promising battle, Immie killed, no resurrection possible.
Discontinued....

- Promising battle, PC stuck without a reason. Dead shortly after

- Promising battle, hit wrongly a button while casting Imp. Alacrity.
Discontinued....

- Almost done!! All the five dead for the first time!!!
A friend of mine knocks at the door.... I have to go...
No save possible.......
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Old 05-09-2002, 06:07 PM
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This thing wasn't planned to be beatable.
Maybe some rude tactic could be more effective, I don't know.
My "elegant" (from my PoV.... ) and elaborate tactics don't work, 'cause the thing is completely cheesy and bugged....

I have only three chars, so everyone has to give the hell out of him/her....
Planned carefully a complicated fight with Simulacra and Project Images, all crossing their Time Stop with time stop immunity, to be able to do incredible things in a single round of "real" time.

Well, two things may happen, from my experience:

1)You do and incredible and perfect work, such as to deliver an obscene damage to the five.
Possibly killing two or three of them before the battle even starts.
At this point the "near death" bug shows up and you can only
smash the table with your head.

2)They DO die when they should. Worse than ever, Melissan appearence is scripted at the first death, and BREAKS without reason ALL your active Time Stops, breaks spell casting and the like, breaks ALL that you have slowly and painfully built.

The following so, is simply impossible.

ONCE all went well.
Don't know how, yet.
SO well that at a certain point all the five were dead, I had yet a FULLY buffed simmie, Sarevok and Immie still alive!
And I even got the "rest option" from wish!!!!!!
Only Melissan remained, and I was stronger than in the beginning!
I started pounding her, I had TWO kensai/mages in FULL-FURY and protected mode, the "real" one even shapechanged in golem to do maximum damage!
Sarevok too got his new clone, whirlwinds and all, Immie was taking down her protections constantly...
I thought this over...
At (I assume) 50% HPs or so Melissan (scripted event) teleports away, summons immediatly an HORDE of uberpowerful demons and in the blink of an eye I had Imoen and Sarevok torn to pieces, my main char alive, but as you imagine little could be done... you can't do with one char, she raises constantly Divine Spell Trap, while you take the time to remove just ONE of them, Melissan AND the demons (casters) remove all of YOUR protections and you're dead meat.

I know, there's a way maybe.
But if an experienced player (though NOT the BEST player, of course) could not do it in 5 days of incessant reloads and plannings, something is wrong.
Maybe you have to do with a full party, or make a more "summon oriented" battle (which I don't like).
BUT, I don't like the fact that you can't use creative ways to win, and that they all are basically immune to everything, even to stats
drain!!!!!
They die only when they want to, Melissan has all scripted and unavoidable moves...
Hmpf.

I do not suggest to install this Mod. Really frustrating.
(And it's a real shame, as the story was REALLY improved by it...)
But, if you want to try...good luck....
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Old 05-10-2002, 07:31 AM
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2)They DO die when they should. Worse than ever, Melissan appearence is scripted at the first death, and BREAKS without reason ALL your active Time Stops, breaks spell casting and the like, breaks ALL that you have slowly and painfully built.
I stopped using time stop after Balthazar slaughtered my party thrice, so I can`t confirm it, but at least for me it was not true that Melissan breaks spell casting when she appears. In fact, it was part of my strategy begin casting Improved Alacrity after Illasera was down, and Edwin's Projected Image completes the casting while Melissan says her line, beggining imediately after that to pound Yaga Shura.

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At (I assume) 50% HPs or so Melissan (scripted event) teleports away, summons immediatly an HORDE of uberpowerful demons and in the blink of an eye I had Imoen and Sarevok torn to pieces, my main char alive, but as you imagine little could be done... you can't do with one char, she raises constantly Divine Spell Trap, while you take the time to remove just ONE of them, Melissan AND the demons (casters) remove all of YOUR protections and you're dead meat.
Strangely, it did not happen to me. Maybe because I kept her held all the time (via Bigby Crushing Hand), she just summoned the first wave (Babau, Succubus, 2 Cambions), and never teleported

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Maybe you have to do with a full party
True, I can't imagine that battle with less than 5 members. Nobody at my 5 member + sacrificial lamb party was idle until the end.

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or make a more "summon oriented" battle
I only used a Deva and an Elemental Prince to keep the left side of the screen occupied while I cleaned the right side.

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Maybe some rude tactic could be more effective, I don't know. My "elegant" (from my PoV.... ) and elaborate tactics don't work, 'cause the thing is completely cheesy and bugged....
I think I used a cheesy tactic to win that battle, but it is one approved by the game: Project Image. All of the 11(!) 7th level slots Edwin had were filled with Project Images. I casted it, the Image casted Improved Alacrity, fired all it's Lower Resistances, Pierce Magics, Spellstrikes, Magic Missiles, Acid Arrows and Skull Traps; then one nearby fighter (Korgan or Jaheira) KILLED the image, so Edwin could cast another and start it over again.

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But if an experienced player (though NOT the BEST player, of course) could not do it in 5 days of incessant reloads and plannings, something is wrong.
Only 5 days? You are impatient .
I took at least a week to bypass Irenicus! I had more than 30 reloads on the final battle, which at a rate of 3 per day amounts to more than 10 days.
And I tried to replay the battle yesterday thrice and had no sucess.
It's true, it's extremely challenging (more if you played on Insane like me). But I recommend it to any player who tought the game was easy the first time.
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Old 05-10-2002, 02:18 PM
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I played through the Ascension MOD with a Solo Soreceror(cap removed) and I breezed through ToB... until the final battle which I never won
I actually managed to kill the five but I never managed to injure Melissan at all... dnt know what I did wrong and now I have re-installed the game without Ascension... maybe I'll try again later, this time with a Wildmage solo.
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Old 05-10-2002, 04:41 PM
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@Leonardo: Do you have an old version? I have the last (weidu).
I assure you that she breaks spellcasting when she appears, as well as all the "active" Time Stops and Imp. Alac.
Today something more happened, as I was trying to avoid casting spells before her arrival... she appeared and I got all the
"unsummoned" messages for my newly casted simmies and project images!!
No true sight, nothing, only her arrival....
This made me close the game again with rage!

Also TWO of my today's tries got devastated by the Near Death bug.. you can only reload (I don't feel like memorizing 5 Power Word: Kill... )

Anyway, my party is really too small I fear....
Plus I've only a save, after the last pool, even if I wanted I couldn't
pre-buff, I've only the time to cast some Simulacra..

Man, 11 proj. images, that's cheese!!!!!
The problem in this battle is here, I think you can't do without it!
That's why maybe Bruce will be able to do it, as the Wild Mage has the highest potential in cheese!!

I won't ever do it........
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Old 05-10-2002, 05:48 PM
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I had done it...
I had....

Melissan to near death
Yaga Shura to near death
The other 4 of the Five dead
Imoen, her Simmie alive, full health...
Sarevok alive, only barely injured...

My char was at full strenght, with all the protections, Black Blade of Disaster...
Already TWELVE levels drained from Melissan....
Just some blow to kill Yaga and then Melissan...

Yaga got the Near Death Bug!!!
He didn't wanted to die!!! At last tried to use CTRL-Y (I EARNED that victory!!), some 10.000 points of damage, and Yaga Shura was still happy and pounding...

I had done it..........

EDIT: Damn!!! I could have CLUAed in a PowerWord:Kill Scroll!!!
Just to work around the bug!!
I was too frustrated to think about it!!!!!!!!! Damn!
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