thiefs

[Alienbob]

what is the best race for a thief?

[Heyward DeMonquis]

Easily Elf...
Extra Dex, plus...
the potential for multi-class...
hey

[Alienbob]

yeah but what about halflings? they get extra dex. also. plus they get a bonus to ALL of ther thief skills

[Heyward DeMonquis]

sweet...little people rock...
but, i'm spoiled on this whole FMT thing...
hey

[Elenias Nal'nair]

...a Halflings! It's so cute watching them as they jump for somebody's throat and jump again and again...this is meant by 'higher goals'.

[Curdis]

I happen to have a handy little spreadsheet and it reveals.. Halfling, on stats 160 vs Elf-135 (total of all starting abilities at 19 Dex not including hear noise, climb wall, read languages), Gnome is next-105 with Half-Elf being the worst at 80 (but 19 Dex is not available/included). Elves of course get +1 with longsword but you cannay backstab with a long sword... - Curdis

[Alienbob]

what about dwarves?

[Drakron Du´Dark]

I better reply.
this is about races now,right.
halfling - the best thief race.they are small, they look inocent and people forget that size does not matter(you girlfriend may disagree about this),besides on halfing sociaty getting stuff from others (especialy from the "Tall people") and not asking permision is a very long tradicion.
Elves - yes, there are thiefs on elven sociaty and sometimes they are usefull, but the 19 dex and thievering skills come more from the way they fisical are.
Half-elves- they are sometimes the scorn of the society either human our elven so they resort to the "less" legal activitys.
Dwarf - Dwarven society is very rigid, so thieves are a someout rarity but there are always some exepcions driven by the dwarven lust for gold.
Gnomes-the same as halflings but they go for magic more so there are few "pure" thieves but a lot of the "ilusinist-thief" around.
Human-Is there some dificuly for figure out why.


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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
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[This message has been edited by Drakron Du´Dark (edited 01-02-2001).]

[Curdis]

Alien Bob,
The full listing (except for halforc, not in 2nd ed. players handbook).
Sum of all 5 BGII available abilities at lvl 1, Theif Base + Racial Adjustment + bonus for Maximum allowable racial dexterity:
Half Elf - 80
Human -95
Dwarf - 95
Gnome - 105
Elf - 135
Halfling - 160
Half-Orc - 95.

In table form http://www.gamebanshee.com/ubb/smile.gif
PP OL FT MS Hide
35 10 05 10 20 - Half Elf
25 25 10 20 15 - Human
20 30 20 15 10 - Dwarf
25 15 20 25 20 - Gnome
35 25 15 30 30 - Elf
35 35 20 35 35 - Halfling
25 25 10 20 15 - Half-Orc

This makes Half Elf the best race for a bard! - Curdis(I put those spaces in for a reason..grrr)

[This message has been edited by Curdis (edited 01-03-2001).]

[Alienbob]

well guys i gotta go

later

[Rail]

You can backstab with longswords. Half Orcs are pretty good and have kickin' backstabs with their 19 Str. maximum! My favorite is the halfling, though.

[Seritani]

Think Halflings are the bests...

[Gruntboy]

IMHO Humans are best. There is so much skill-enhancing equipment and potions in the game coupled with rapid level-ups that you can dual class a human thief very early on.

[Elenias Nal'nair]

Rail, that you can backstab with longswords or katanas is a bug (o.k. might be 3rd rules but I doubt). As you know backstabbing originally is only for shortswords and daggers.
Plain Thieves are a waste, always try to dual or multi with fighter or mage. Thief/Cleric is also nice but I hate Gnomes. Halflings are cute anyway...

[Weasel]

Elenias Nal'nair what would kenders be considered a halflings?

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