The End - What did you think?

[Quitch]

Having played through Baldur's Gate and been terribly disappointed with the end (both fight and sequence) the BG 2 end was brilliant.

In BG 1, you could draw out one guy before even seeing Sarevok, then you could cast Fireball at max range a few hundred times to kill off another mage, then you didn't even have to expose and activate the last mage. Then Sarevok was killed using lots of arrows of detonation and finally some sword thrusts (but he was hard as nails, he STILL managed to down Khalid, and was just starting on Minsc when he died). This was a lot less exciting than my attempt to kill him charging with about 50 Gnolls, all of which were killed with about 4 enemy spells http://www.gamebanshee.com/ubb/smile.gif

Actually in BG, the first time I won the last fight, just as Sarevok died, my character was struck down from behind by a Doom Knight. Man did I swear http://www.gamebanshee.com/ubb/smile.gif

Once you won though you got a short end sequence, which had several potential meanings, and that was it.

BG2, you got a much better deal. It wasn't too hard to win (but once you know you're at the end, do you want ot be there forever?), but you got lots of heroic sayings thrown in to add to the drama (very sweet), then you had to trade spells, and the only reason it wasn't harder was because of the weak AI (which doesn't understand the concept of magic resistance).

The end sequence though was great. You actually got to see a little of the aftermath, and then the cinematics guys seemed to have a bout of "Look what we can do!" as they got bored with swinging cameras around locations and went for some full body animation. The lip synch was awsome! Though they looked a bit too much like liquid http://www.gamebanshee.com/ubb/smile.gif

Anyway, it left it open, it almost screamed sequel (cool) which made me happy.

What did you think? http://www.gamebanshee.com/ubb/smile.gif

And why was the "Final save" made BEFORE you got all those great stat bonuses?

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Quitch
"Well since you asked, I would like to register a complaint. I want to kill a dragon. Right now. No, don't look. Go kill one now. Go find one and kill it. Right now. That would be SO cool" - Lilarcor

[blade21]

A add-on is welcome for bg2 but I think a baldurs gate 3 is out of the question. why? because if you continued with your old character you would be far to powerful, a bit like Planescape torment. If they did make a bg3 then I think it would be better if you had to start a new character, maybe an offspring from your old pc.

I don't know about the final save!

[Quitch]

Far too powerful? Power can only be compared to that around you. After all, when you beat an Ogre Mage in BG, you felt powerful, but in BG2 you could beat one just by looking at it. Does that make you powerful just because one kicked your butt in BG? No, because there are new big baddies out there which can match you.

I don't doubt there's plenty of stuff left that they can come up with to take you down http://www.gamebanshee.com/ubb/smile.gif

As for a sequel being out of the question, the end sequence seemed to suggest exactly the opposite. At the very least, they were preparing the ground.

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Quitch
"Well since you asked, I would like to register a complaint. I want to kill a dragon. Right now. No, don't look. Go kill one now. Go find one and kill it. Right now. That would be SO cool" - Lilarcor

[This message has been edited by Quitch (edited 02-25-2001).]

[Locke Da'averan]

about blade21's worry for being too powerful, i have to agree on some of the issues, if you're over, let's say lvl 25 mage/sorcerer, you have time stop, horrid wilting etc. a$$ kicking spells, it would be something like, time stop, wilt, wilt, time stop, wilt, wilt...
On the other hand if you compare the power difference with chars from BG and BG2, starting from lvl 1 in BG3 would be devastating, you'd ran towards a bunch of gnolls and before you know it, you're dead...
Though BG2 was way much easier than BG (you actually had to develop a strategies for couple fights) you should be able to use your char from BG2, or a char who's starting lvl would be something like 14?

my two cents

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[mizuno]

do you want to kill a dragon just by looking at itin BG3? i wouldn't, so what r they going to have in BG3? alliens?

anyway, BG2 expansion will be released this summer, around june/july, and it's called thorne of Bhaal. and i think that would be the end of this character. BG 3(if there is one) very very very almost likely to be a new character(another offspring of Bhaal or our character in BG2 or Imeon?)

[mizuno]

ok lets think it this way, do you guys wnt a dragon to be your first enemy in BG3? probably not

[Drakron Du´Dark]

If he fight a lot of medium class monsters, there will be a chalange, besides there is no reason that BG III is going to be "a la diablo", neiter BG I or BG II was like that, it just need a good story and lots of places to see, people to talk and monters to defeat.
Besides, the XP that we get on killing a wolf is almost nothing to get the next level, hight levels need a lot of XP.
A level 24 cleric needs 3600000 XP points, a level 23 cleric needs 3375000 XP points, see the diferences?

[mizuno]

when i finished the game i was lvl22 paladin, minsc was lvl22as well, anemon was lvl23, we can toture a dragon if i like, but want's the point? just too powerful, just imprison everyone i see in BG3 then what's the challenge?

[Drakron Du´Dark]

Well, Imprison spells dont let you have any loot, besides try the twisted rune at high level, go in there and fight then ALL at the same time.
And there a limit of how many lv9 spells one can cast, run out of spells and you are a easy target.
Besides you cheat the game, you remove the XP cap that is there for balance, try a dracolich of high level and see for yourself a very fast way to die....

[This message has been edited by Drakron Du´Dark (edited 02-25-2001).]

[mizuno]

i killed absoultely every evil thing in BG2, the lich only took one hit from aerie, ( i was using mace of disruption+2, didn't cheat) did the runequest as you have said, take them all in one time, the beholder sucks cos i have cloak of mirroring, it die easily with it, didn't need to restart it, dragons are pathetic, easy things, i was so delighted where some random enemies foolnessly found me, so that i could toture them, just went to everywhere to fins something to kill. a bit disappointed forgot going back to drow city to kill them all

[Drakron Du´Dark]

Try a real Dragon with all those AD&D rules on, you would not win at that level, it "easier" in the game because if they were not, none could win against one.
Besides, you have remove the XP cap that is there for balance, I could go alone at level 1000 againt a dragon and win as well.
By removing the cap, you make things a lot easier, so the chalange is lost, that is why there is a XP cap and easier dragons in the game.

[mizuno]

that's was my final stats, not the one i killed the dragons., killed the shadown one still in CH2, probably lvl12 i think, and the red one at lvl16 something like that, and the black one at lvl18, just above the final ex of the paladin, beside i only above the ex cap for about 0.5 m ex. won't be a lot of difference, and i was using mages like aerie and imeon only they were lvl 16 and 15, cos aerie level up so slowly(she is mult-class) and imeon started from CH4, jaheria is a druid and mult-class as well, only lvl14 (druid) and i thinklv15 for fighter, thus my party is not that good in magic. and still beat a lot of monsters

[Drakron Du´Dark]

Two things.
The Shadow one is not very hard to beat, the red one is somewhat easy if you use the right spells on him.
Second, Dragons are not usuing in the game all the powers that they have, the tail slash is one thing that Dragons do and in the game they dont, they are easier because they are very powerful and would never give us a change to beat, so they were made easier to fight with.

[mizuno]

anyway, no matter how hard the dragon would be, bioware has to do something with the stupid AI, even the dragon isvery hard, still can kill it with chessy method--cloudkill, so a better AI is needed, although i didn't kill them with it, cos is pathetic.

and we should go back to the topic, a lot of ppl already said BG3 is very unlikely to be released, due to the storyline or the D&D rights etc. and hopefully there would a good ending of Torne of Bhaal.

[Drakron Du´Dark]

Two things Interplay (or Black isle or Bioware, I dont know who have the license) can make AD&D games until 2005, there are still 4 years to go.
Also BG II leave things without anwers, besides the idea of the story of BG III is with the character ofspring is unlikely, I dont see WOSC letting people wrighting events that will take place in 18 years, eventhing on the game had to pass by WOSC, WOCS is still wrighting the events of 1370.