Most useless character

[jouke1988]

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Originally Posted by Aqua-chan Nalia is probably the worst thief in my opinion. There are too many thief/mage combos in this game and she really doesn't stack in comparison to Jan in that department, or Imoen even. Yoshimo was my favorite character though, so I'm a bit biased.

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I understand that you find Yoshimo a very usefull character, but who would you after spellhold

[Aqua-chan]

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Originally Posted by jouke1988 *spoiler* I understand that you find Yoshimo a very usefull character, but who would you after spellhold

Again, certainly not Nalia. I would sooner take Imoen or Jan - though I don't particularly care for either one of them. Since Jan is the only "active-class" thief of those three he's usually the one I take. Imoen fell out of my favor early on in the game.

[Berethor]

I personally cannot stand Nalia. She acts as if she is a kind and caring person, but her speech style betrays her wealth and arrogance. "Help the poor, I demand it!"

Also, I've recently forced myself to work with Anomen for a run-through. He's annoying as hell, but he holds his own.

[jouke1988]

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Originally Posted by Berethor Also, I've recently forced myself to work with Anomen for a run-through. He's annoying as hell, but he holds his own.

I understand the fact that he is somehow a bit annoying, but in the end of BG2 and TOB he is so powerfull, isn't that very important?

[galraen]

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Originally Posted by jouke1988 I understand the fact that he is somehow a bit annoying, but in the end of BG2 and TOB he is so powerfull, isn't that very important?

Not to me, much rather have Aerie or even Vici, if I want a divine/fighter I'd rather have Jaheira (I only take her if I have a female protagonist though, can't hack her cradle snatching if it's a male).

[Berethor]

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Originally Posted by jouke1988 I understand the fact that he is somehow a bit annoying, but in the end of BG2 and TOB he is so powerfull, isn't that very important?

He is a fairly good Cleric, and a passable fighter, but Viconia is better at spell-casting than him. She also has innate Drow magic resistance.

I never said that Anomen is a bad character. In fact, I said that he holds his own. Still, his obnoxious personality is a chore to deal with - I'm glad I don't play female protagonists or I'd feel pretty screwed over by the game's developers for making this guy the only female romance option(without mods).

[Pellinore]

Out of curiosity I did some research on Rashemen. Poor Minsc couldn't even take the Warrior of Rashemen fighter kit as they must have a wisdom of 10. The book states of Rashemen warriors battle tactics "Overwhelm the foe with sheer numbers or ferocity and then beat it to death"

Minsc should not be a ranger but he still isn't useless. It all depends on playing style. My vote goes to Cernd mainly because he doesn't fit into my play style very well....

[jouke1988]

Allright, we've discussed fighters and thieves, what about diviners?

Aerie
Anomen
Viconia
Cernd
Jaheira

What about them, I've seen alot of you don't like Anomen. But what about Jaheira, she can be a pain in the ass aswell. What do you think about divining power? Wich one is the best and the worst?

[Jordoo]

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Originally Posted by jouke1988 Allright, we've discussed fighters and thieves, what about diviners? Aerie Anomen Viconia Cernd Jaheira What about them, I've seen alot of you don't like Anomen. But what about Jaheira, she can be a pain in the ass aswell. What do you think about divining power? Wich one is the best and the worst?

For me Aerie is without a doubt the best of the lot because she can cast Arcane spells and gets a but load of HLA's which she can chose from either pool every time no matter which class she leveled up in.

After that Viconia is the best pure cleric + drow magical resistance and the human flesh armor if your evil. Her spell casting ability as a cleric is much better than Anomen's Aerie's and either of the druids. I also actually enjoy her romance the most out of the three ladies, although since recently installing Amber and experiancing her romance they all stink.

As far as tanking its still Aerie because she can basically make herself imune almost any damage for a long time with her combination of cleric/mage spells. But in terms of bashing power Anomen easilly out classes Jahiera IMO and is also a better spell caster than her because as a multiclass druid Jaheira takes forever to level up the Druid side.

Oh yah and then there is taht Cernd guy ............

My Favorites in order:
Aerie: (Tired of her pitty me act though)
Viconia: (she is pretty exotic after all)
Anomen: (he should come with a muzzle)
Jaheira: (I like her with the sword and sheild style, but her romance kills me, all that work and then she finally going to be happy after getting some geesh! Maby if she would give it up sooner I wouldn't have had to listen to her complain and critisize me for 90% of the game.)
Cernd: Its too bad that his Werwolf abilities are so underpowered ehh whatever I still probably wouldn't use him.

[Craig]

The thing that gets me about Cernd is that when I have in my part I don't know how to use him....Do I have him in Wolf form (which I have patched so it's useful) so he can deal damage, and have one too many fighters, or do I drop him out and use him as heal-priest or artillery priest? And have one too many healers/artillery? Or do I swap him back and forth all the time? It's either confusing...or annoying.

[galraen]

As has been said, best Clerical Divine caster is Vici, most powerful character who has divine spells is Aerie. Best Tank (taking offensive melee power into account) is Jaheira, sorry but she'd kick Anomen's derriere in a straight contest. She's slice him, dice him, and never be nice to him; meanwhile his first ten attacks do nothing, in terms of Clerical spells vs Druidic spells, well since the clerics got royally screwed when the Wazzocks of the Coast started introducing kits, no contest.

[jouke1988]

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Originally Posted by galraen As has been said, best Clerical Divine caster is Vici, most powerful character who has divine spells is Aerie. Best Tank (taking offensive melee power into account) is Jaheira, sorry but she'd kick Anomen's derriere in a straight contest. She's slice him, dice him, and never be nice to him; meanwhile his first ten attacks do nothing, in terms of Clerical spells vs Druidic spells, well since the clerics got royally screwed when the Wazzocks of the Coast started introducing kits, no contest.

Jaheira is, according to me, a logic choice for most of us, at least when you are a real roleplayer. Most of us would have used her in BG1 and because you can't get Branwen back, without mods, she would be a logic choice. But I do agree with other people about Anomen, with the Flail of the Ages he really is quite a pain in the ass for opponents.
Aerie is a must have, especially when she becomes high leveled. Cernd is a very big questionmark for me, I think he really is, in comparison with other characters, very underpowered.
I can't say anything about Vic because I never used her, I am a really good player so I don't take Vic with me normally.

[galraen]

Anomen is without doubt good tank, just not as good as Jaheira. He's permanently stuck as a 7th level fighter, whereas Jaheira, even with the level cap, gets a lot higher and gets fighter HLAs, which Analman never gets. So he can be a nuisance with Flail of Ages, so can a lot of characters; Vici is not exactly a pushover when wielding it and Defender of Easthaven either.

PS I have had Vici in a good party, in fact the very first time I ran through the game with her it was with a good protagonist, he was determined to 'save her soul', well what would one expect from a Cleric, succeeded too.

[Jordoo]

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Originally Posted by galraen Anomen is without doubt good tank, just not as good as Jaheira. He's permanently stuck as a 7th level fighter, whereas Jaheira, even with the level cap, gets a lot higher and gets fighter HLAs, which Analman never gets. So he can be a nuisance with Flail of Ages, so can a lot of characters; Vici is not exactly a pushover when wielding it and Defender of Easthaven either. PS I have had Vici in a good party, in fact the very first time I ran through the game with her it was with a good protagonist, he was determined to 'save her soul', well what would one expect from a Cleric, succeeded too.

Hmmm ....... my good Berzerker on my very first run through BGII had the same experiance with Viconia and I actually think that thats how its set up to be. The other NPC's in your group (other than those who simple blindly hate all drow) even make comments to lead you to saving her and then keeping her in the group. I beleive Minsc says she is now the parties responsibility after saving her.

[kmonster]

For the role of the party priest Anomen is the most powerful. He levels as fast as Viconia and can even turn a demilich, but has more than double fighting power. The low wis doesn't matter since high level clerics don't need low level bonus spells. Multiclasses are better when soloing (Aerie is extremely powerful), but in a party it's not very important to be able to do a second thing worse then another party member.

Druids can't buff the other party members like clerics can, therefore I consider clerics more useful. A good party has both of course.