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08-04-2001, 01:11 PM
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@All: I've got a problem with Elminster appearing at the end of the Jaheira romance/harper quest....so could any people that were successful with this romance please post the location of where Elminster appeared...(I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it???)....cheers!!
Edit: Sorry....did I say "Elminster"??? I meant Terminsel....
[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Karembeu ]
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08-05-2001, 11:09 AM
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@Karembeu
For me he appeared in the government district in Athkatla. I suppose you can force him to appear, change the global variable TERMINSELAPPEAR to 2806879 (that number comes from my saved game immediately after he appears and it is just a countdown timer) and then enter a new area. |
08-05-2001, 12:37 PM
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Ok, Manveru explains once again....   1) There was no need in MHO to write all first sentences of romance dialogues here (but it is MHO as I said) - and also there are programs that could be used to view game resources like scripts, dialogues - so it is pointless to write all these dialogues - just check dowload section of www.teambg.com
2) ToB Jaheira romance scripts are load of horse droppings (at least for SoA part of game - I have no idea about ToB part)
3) Use my Jaheira romance bug fix that could be downloaded from my page - www.worldzone.net/games/manveru
4) The problems with ToB Jaheira romance is the result of not including my changes from Jaheira patch in ToB scripts, even when it was sent to Bioware two times as I suppose : by me and later with other bug fixes by Kevin Dorner.
[ 08-05-2001: Message edited by: Manveru ]
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08-07-2001, 11:53 AM
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Hrm, I think I did something wrong...After dialog 29, Dermin showed up, and Jaheira renounced her harper membership (?!). After, I tried sleeping (without the guards disturbing me, in an inn, in wilderness) without anything happening...so I left for Spellhold. To my surprise, I got a dialog there, but it's not in any of the romance lists: "I... I am sorry, but I need a moment to collect myself" ??? |
08-07-2001, 12:47 PM
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This is the next legendary Jaheira topic. Just like the one a few months ago "JAHEIRA ROMANCE ANSWERS ****SPOILERS GALORE****".
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08-07-2001, 04:45 PM
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Manveru:
Clarification 1: I know you say that your patch works with ToB installed, but I have also read that I should back up the Jaheira.bcs or some such and then restore the old one prior to actually starting the ToB portion of the game. Respectfully, please clarify this...I am quite nervous about messing up my game since other than the Jaheira mess it seems to be running fairly smoothly finally.
Clarification 2: I am not having a romance with Jaheira, I just want her to get her darned pin (have played through twice and so far no go). Will this fix the broken Harper plot for non-romance games?
Clarification 3: If I install it now (have had first Dermin appearance and Reviane fight) will it fix my plot from this point forward, or will I have to load an earlier save game or change some variables with Shadowkeeper? If I have to change variables, could you spell out for the non-programmer type what variable to change and to what value?
Thanks in advance for your help. |
08-07-2001, 05:45 PM
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...and the legendary topic is back on the first page. Thanks Manveru, now everyone will have their Jaheira answers.
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08-08-2001, 12:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Laurelei:
[QB]Manveru:
Clarification 1: I know you say that your patch works with ToB installed, but I have also read that I should back up the Jaheira.bcs or some such and then restore the old one prior to actually starting the ToB portion of the game. Respectfully, please clarify this...I am quite nervous about messing up my game since other than the Jaheira mess it seems to be running fairly smoothly finally.
| As I said somewhere else : My patch has no influence on ToB part of game. ToB works in such a way that all SoA scripts work is ceased in ToB after starting Add-on (killing Irenicus) . What is more I know only about one variable connected with romance that is used in ToB (JaheiraRomanceActive). Lovetalk or others are NOT USED. Thus my patch will not mess up romance in ToB or other Jaheira's quests /interractions not connected directly with romance. Quote: |
Clarification 2: I am not having a romance with Jaheira, I just want her to get her darned pin (have played through twice and so far no go). Will this fix the broken Harper plot for non-romance games?
| If you wish only harper pin then actually my patch even makes it easier to obtain it without romance : I did the following thing in Jaheira.bcs -
1) The both cases (romance or not) are separated.
2) If player will fail in any moment of romance (Jaheira is no longer interested in romance) then Jaheira's quests are continued as it is the case of not romancing this NPC.
3) The most important difference between romancing or not case is that :
*in the first case Jaheira's quests are dependent on REAL TIME in everything - it means that Dermin wil not appear unless player has obtained strictly defined stage of romance where each dialogue show up every 0,5h (+ sometimes some additional requirements are fulfilled, like rest party outdoors). Thus there are no chance that Harper quests will progress faster that romance or vice versa.
*Case without romance is based on game time, thus whether player ends romance without success or didn't started it then after resting some time in Inns, woods, outdoors , etc. the Jaheira's quests will start (Xzar's quests, poisoned guy, Galvarey, etc...).
So the conclussion is : Yes it will fix Harper quests for non romance games. Quote: |
Clarification 3: If I install it now (have had first Dermin appearance and Reviane fight) will it fix my plot from this point forward, or will I have to load an earlier save game or change some variables with Shadowkeeper? If I have to change variables, could you spell out for the non-programmer type what variable to change and to what value?
| Yes, it will fix harper plot on this stage.
One remark : If you wish to have Harper pin without romance then you have to remember that you will receive it only if your reputation is above 16 AFAIR (in case of romance thisn value is 10).
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08-08-2001, 05:59 AM
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, wise and mighty Manveru! I'll be downloading that patch tonight!! |
08-08-2001, 03:23 PM
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Manveru:
Most of us just want to play the game, we don't want to screw around with scripts, decompiling, hacks, cheats, overrides ... I'll just stop there.
When I was looking for some Jaheira answers I just wanted to play the game, not add some hack to get the game working how I *thought* it should work.
Unfortunately a quick synopsis of the romance was *not* around ... that is why I wrote this walkthrough. For those who desire a simple, complete and concise course of events this is it.
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08-08-2001, 05:22 PM
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I need some help with the Jaheira romance! I have gotten as far as #29 ( Dermin tells Jaheira that the Harper court has decided her fate), and she tells him she will think about it. This shows up in the quest log, BTW. So now, I went to Umar Hills and rested. Jaheira was STILL there. So I did all the Umar Hills quests, and went back to Athkatla. I rested again, and Jaheira still had not left yet. What am I missing? Are the sleep events time based as well? I still have my save from directly AFTER my 2nd meeting with Dermin. Any help would be appreciated! |
08-09-2001, 08:36 PM
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If I may, I woule like to request some help from the powergamers. IIRC when I had the first fight with Dermin, I believe that I wound up killing him (I could be wrong about this since it has been sometime now), but suffice it to say that I have moved the romance along (forceably using the console) to LT 65, the next dialog should be "We should be arriving at our destination" or something to that effect. I have tried to move it along further (using console commands) but to no avail (setting the timer to 1 using CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("JaheiraRomance","GLOBALS",1 ). My question is this: Is there a trigger that I should know about? or anyway to get this to move along? I'd like to get the pin and exp, and then move into finishing the game (I'm in chapter 6) any help would be greatly appricated. Thanks.
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08-10-2001, 12:45 AM
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@Mad: Do you have ToB installed? I could take a look at your savegame, if you do. If not, download Manveru's patch.
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08-10-2001, 05:53 AM
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See my request for clarification on Manveru's patch. I can say that the SECOND I installed it my Harper plot began moving forward and have not had a single problem with it since. |
08-10-2001, 10:55 AM
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I got the "dawning of a new day" dialog after I killed Dermin. Is that bad? | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread |  Linear Mode | | 
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