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07-23-2001, 10:35 AM
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Hmmm, my walkthrough is for SOA only. I have no idea what changes TOB makes to the romance.
Could you elaborate on how you found this? I'm not sure I understand. Did you re-install SOA only and it worked (you got Dermin)?
[ 07-23-2001: Message edited by: Valecrion ]
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07-23-2001, 12:07 PM
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That's not the bug. I had Dermin appear all three times while I was in one of the forests. That was with ToB installed, so ToB is not the problem.
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07-23-2001, 12:40 PM
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Quark,
What can I say, but you are wrong about that. I tested the system *extensively* both with and without ToB installed.
*IF* you have ToB installed, then Dermin will never show up the second time. Trust me on this; it is a FACT. [I have tested it in all the relevant areas.]
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07-24-2001, 02:22 AM
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Hhmmm nice guide, thou it may be missing something (or maybe not) but doesn't the purchase of the Keepsake locket in the docks area have an affect on the romance?
the dialogue certainly seems a little romantic.
If so it may or may not be why dermin doesn't show up (not that i've done any testing in this reguard)
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07-24-2001, 02:47 AM
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Nope. I have tested it. Went all the way to 'Did you enjoy the last fight' line. If I had ToB installed Dermin NEVER showed.
If I used the SAME save file using SoA ONLY, Dermin showed up and the Romance proceeded like clockwork. [And yes I did buy the locket.]
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07-24-2001, 03:48 AM
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I must be one of the few that have had a bug free romance with Jaheira  (maybe because my PC was also Druid lol!)
IIRC Dermin showed first in the Temple District, second in the Graveyard district and finally after resting at the Five Flagons in the Bridge District. He attacked me right inside the doorway on exit. I did not buy any keepsake locket and I do not yet have ToB...
Great post though Valecrion - considering the hundreds of posts on this buggy romance. 
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07-24-2001, 03:54 AM
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Would anyone be able to post the exact CLUAConsole commands and values for the Jaheira romance at the beginning of ToB? Or just lead me to a thread that has this information? Should the Lovetalk be 73? What about everything else like the Bodhi episode & that Dermin guy?
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07-24-2001, 05:24 AM
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| |  Quote:
Originally posted by MBR Psi-Cow:
<STRONG>... but doesn't the purchase of the Keepsake locket in the docks area have an affect on the romance?</STRONG>
| Actually, it's because confusion like this that prompted me to write the walkthrough. Jaheira's Keepsake locket as well as Jaheira getting cursed by Baron Ployer are NOT part of the romance. They occur only because you are in a romance with Jaheira but do not affect the romance in any way.
I actually read this in a note from one of the designers from Black Isle/Bioware ... so I'm pretty confident in it ...
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07-25-2001, 01:07 PM
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People,
Does anyone know if:
1. There is an official ToB patch out yet, and
2. If said patch FIXES the Romance problems, especially the Dermin no-show problem. It gets tiresome reinstalling the games in order when I want to start a new game 
-Polaris
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07-25-2001, 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by polaris:
<STRONG>People,
Does anyone know if:
1. There is an official ToB patch out yet, and
2. If said patch FIXES the Romance problems, especially the Dermin no-show problem. It gets tiresome reinstalling the games in order when I want to start a new game
-Polaris</STRONG>
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Hello, old friend Polaris. There is no, IIRC, offiials patches for ToB, only betta. In the description no words on fixing gaming problems (Jaheira, 2-weapon + haste, Blade's spins), only some tech glitches so far. But that was yesterday, and today I have not been able to connect to Bioware site. Updating? I hope.
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07-26-2001, 04:01 AM
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Just to give Polaris a boost, yes I've encounter your Dermin-no show bug with ToB as well. I ran SoA games many times, and about 4 to 5 times with Jaheira romance, I have NEVER EVER have any bugs with Jaheira romance(must be one of those lucky people), Dermin shows up when he is supposed to, no dialog loop, nada, and I've tried both with Baldurdash patch and not.
Given that I've never had problems with Jaheira romance, I considered myself an expert with it and didn't expect any problems when I installed ToB. Now the 1st time I tried to start over in SoA with expansion installed BAM! Dermin no show bug. I can practically vouch for Polaris' information. Something in ToB screwed up Jaheira's dialogs. I've tried every fix possible with tips from various homepages, nothing works. I can set DerminSpawn to 4 and CreateCreature("jadermin") to get him to talk, but then Jaheira doesn't leave group after resting, basically a lot of variales at set in that script and I can't find them all manually.
Right now, the only way to have a successful Jaheira romance and carry that to ToB is to uninstall everything and install just SoA only, play until you are done with Jaheira romance, then install ToB and keep playing.
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07-26-2001, 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Valecrion:
<STRONG>Jaheira's Keepsake locket as well as Jaheira getting cursed by Baron Ployer are NOT part of the romance. They occur only because you are in a romance with Jaheira but do not affect the romance in any way.
I actually read this in a note from one of the designers from Black Isle/Bioware ... so I'm pretty confident in it ...</STRONG>
| I wouldn't put 100% faith in anything said by the designers  Lots of people have worked on loose bits and pieces of the game, and none of them seems to have all relevant information.
The Baron Ployer thingy also triggers if you are not romancing Jaheira (I got it with a female PC).
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08-03-2001, 02:02 PM
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I've saved the game right after the battle with Dermin. The only "quests" I can go on now are the Hidden Compound, the temple district Guarded Compound, the Planar Sphere, and then some of the NPC quests (Anomen, Mazzy, Korgan, Viconia?). I've paused right after reloading - nothing. I've played the other quests - nothing. I've also saved the game right before rejoing Jaheira at the Harper's lair. Should I go back to that (oh, the horror) or can I save what I've got. BTW does anyone know how to get the D'Arnise Keep scenario to get rolling again if you missed the meeting with Rosenthall? (sp?)
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08-03-2001, 05:09 PM
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i've had no probs with Jaheiras quest first time. NO PROBS AT ALL IN GAME. i had only the officual patch for BG2 (the first patch that came out). Then i downloaded some custom patch and replaced some override files. But i dont remember if the first time i've played "normal" (thats when jaheiras romance worked fine) i had that patch. Now after a month i have returned to he game again. I got newest patch 2.02.3037 and i think i than had some problems, so i unistalled the custom patch. But i think it didnt affect current game because i remember that it changed blade of roses (or something) but after i uninstalled the custom patch the b of roses was jus the same. So thats the time that Jaheiras romance locked. Now i have started new game to see what will be.
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08-03-2001, 06:56 PM
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Ehhh... Excuse me but...
Hmm.... I'm playing ToB but started the game in SoA (With ToB installed) and i killed Irenicus with Lovetalk = 52 so it continues in ToB... But to the point... I'we gotten that pin long ago! Dont remember how or why but i have it... met the dude and he gave it to me... Answer?
Btw. What is IIRC?? 
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