Is Viconia's alignment deserved?

[Manveru]

I found the Jaheira romance somewhat uncomfortable,seeing as it takes place so soon after Khalid's death.The PC,by this time,would have adventured quite a bit with Khalid,and would consider him a good friend.

I plan (after passing all my exams on University) to go through BG1 and BG2 ToB to make the ultimate story of the Manveru Telcontar , mighty child of Bhaal.

My PC will be in romance with Jaheira - and it will be logical because in the first phasees I will sleep many days (eg. in Windspear Hills to have something to do between sleeping - killing these pity goblins (or I will modify script to fight with something more dangerous) then after some 100-300 days (3 months - 1 year) it will be really more logical to have romance with Jaheira, and the story will have some sense, there is also place for Viconia (to cause more mess in my group of course).

[Garcia]

I the Dock dis. a little girl will come runnig to you and tell you about her father that is dead, her sick crippled mom and asks you if you can spair a few gold coins (I was chaotic evil at this stage) so I told her to run home to her crippled mom and get out of my sight! the little girl starts to cry and Viconia says something like:"well done!she has to learn some day to make her money some day now scram!
I don't remember the exact words but trust me evil they were!

[velvetfreak]

My personal feeling on alignment change is that it would take fairly drastic circumstances to effect the change. You don't suddenly wake up one morning and go "hmm I feel like strangling puppies today" or "gosh I feel guilty about strangling those puppies, I think I'll be nice to everybody from now on" (substitute kittens if you're a dog lover). In Viconia's case it would have to be in the context of the romance where her world gets turned upside-down because no rivvin has ever shown her compassion for any length of time before. (Be prepared for more of those mood swings... )

Do you know what, the business with Khalid doesn't bother me at all with Jaheira. I think they scripted it very well, and don't feel like I'm stepping in his shoes at all. Okay, perhaps it moves a bit fast, but in a world like the Sword Coast where death lurks behind every corner, there's no time to lose... Or you could also put it down to taking solace in her embrace after a very traumatic torture experience. See - when I think of it like that I can't see how any relationship at this point in the PC's life could be that "healthy".

I think I should stop right there

[dragon wench]

I find Viconia's character to be the most tragic in the game. She seems to be a metaphor for the kid from "the wrong side of the tracks" trying to flee an upbringing from which --in her case-- there appears to be no escape. Further, she doesn't belong anywhere; she feels uncomfortable with the Drow beliefs, but yet partly through some of her actions and partly through her treatment at the hands of the "Riven" (frankly, I suspect that in the real world many women who have been in Viconia's situation would have liked to dole out a similar revenge.....)she does not fit into surfacer society either.

I find it reasonable, however, to think that her alignment could be changed to chaotic neutral, perhaps through a quest in TOB. Besides haven't the game developers stated that all the romances will continue in TOB? Since the relationship is over by the time you get to the end of the SOA, there will have to be some kind of event to reignite the romance in TOB.
Afterall, Anomen's alignment changes depending on the actions of the pc, so why not Viconia's? She has questioned the Drow beliefs, which have lead to her fleeing the Underdark. Wouldn't an aligment switch to chaotic neutral, after slowly beginning to comprehend the meaning of a relationship with a caring pc, be a next logical step? She has tears in her eyes when she ends the relationship, and she does not seem convinced by her decision, to me that dialogue was very inconclusive and open-ended.

[Wycen Adamantite]

Originally posted by jennabard:
<STRONG> viconia defending the begger in the govt district? i've never heard a peep from her in this scene

and what's the story about her protecting a child?</STRONG>

Viconia's fall from grace within drow society was precipitated by her hesitation to sacrifice a baby. In one of Lolth's rituals, she was required to murder a baby. She saw no reason for it, "It would bring no power and no glory to Lolth" I believe is what she tells the PC. The other priestess in the ritual noticed this waver of faith and so the fall of her house and subsequent life on the run was laid before her.

[Vendetta]

@jennabard - It seems to be random who pipes up during the beggar scene.
But when Viconia does, she tells the Guard to stop bothering old beggars and asks him where he was when she was almost lynched by fanatics.
Someone else in the party will point out how very "Un-Drow like" this is and if you have Haer'Dalis, he will insinuate Viconia is putting on an "evil" act.

If Viconia's alignment does change, I think Chaotic Neutral would be most believable, because, stereotypically, they have erratic and unpredictable personalities.
Since Viconia tends to switch between "bitch" and "non-bitch" when she lets her emotional guard down, it seems more appropriate than a "good" alignment. She seems a million miles away from the other Good Aligned characters such as Aerie, Nalia or Keldorn.

[Wycen Adamantite]

I don't think chaotic neutral would be for her. First, she's have to swing away both from evil and neutral. From neutral evil to True neutral I can see though. She can still be self centered and not care about what happens to those around her.

[Drakron Du´Dark]

Originally posted by Wycen Adamantite:
<STRONG>... She can still be self centered and not care about what happens to those around her.</STRONG>

Also know as the Neutral Evil aligment.
I said this before, any of the evil aligments dont mean that the NPC that have that aligment is going around killing people, not even the Chaotic Evil (But most chaotic evil are murders), it means a lot of things, a Lawful Evil is diferent from Lawful Good by the fact that a Lawful Good trys that the laws help people as a Lawful Evil trys that the Laws help him but BOTH belive in the law, a lawful good and a Lawful evil will keep the word that they give ,same thing for the others aligments.
Viconia is neutral evil because she is only conserned about herself and not the others, the fact is that even a Neutral Evil can do what Viconia did in the Underdark that lead to the fall of her house, as long that it does not became the NPC usual tendancies (Viconia always trying to help people) it does not require a aligment change.

[Wycen Adamantite]

*Shrugs shoulders* Everyone has a different idea of how/what the alignments work.

[xFedaykin]

good and evil arent always...

good and evil

[Quecty]

Originally posted by xFedaykin:
<STRONG>good and evil arent always...

good and evil</STRONG>

True enough.Take Keldorn,for example.This is a man dedicated to upholding the principles of honour.Yet,upon learning that his wife has been seeing another man,and if left to his own devices,has the guy executed and his wife thrown into prison ("Curse the dictates of honour..."),and abandons his children ("The Order is all I have now...").Lawful Evil,anyone?

[Ben_Albright]

I think that Viconia has risen alot from the basic drow evilness. She does make a few acts that seem to lead twoards good. I believe that she is slowly moving away form her evil drow upbringing and moving twoards good. She was raised evil and could not argue, but now that she has viewed the world her opinions could change. Even though she did comit several evil acts throughout the game changing alignment is never a one shot deal. She will comit more good actions and less evil actions as she move twoards good.


As for chaotic neutrel, that would be a double change, neutrel to chaos and evil to neutrel, true neutrel could probably set in first, but neutrel good would probably be the end result. That is if their is an alignment change.

[polaris]

I know for a fact that with the appropriate dialog you can change Viconia's alignment to T-N....and she becomes a *much* more bearable person after the switch (in ToB). I tried to get her to go to N-G, but I don't think this is possible. Remember she worships Shal, a distinctly NON-good diety.

-Polaris

[rapier]

Originally posted by polaris:
<STRONG>
Remember she worships Shal, a distinctly NON-good diety.</STRONG>

Shar...Night, Darkness, Underdark, IIRC...Not necessarily evil, eh?

Also, it is pretty understandable that she is Neutral Evil...the only person she ever loved and trusted was killed because of her. she was betrayed and mistreated everytime she let her guard down, no wonder she's a bitch. In the romance the PC shows her concepts like love and trust, and, if followed correctly, she begins trusting him and becomes much more bearable...

[polaris]

Shar represents night, dark, and also entropy and death. I *NEVER* said that Shar was evil. I *said* she was distinctly non-good and I stand by that. Look her up. Shar can not (IIRC) have good aligned clerics (but neutral ones are ok). Cernd expounds on this in one of his dialogs with Viconia.

-Polaris