Giving Credit to two underated characters :) (TOB wise)

Gawayn · #1 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 10:09 AM

First off, Jan. His stories are damn great. He has excellent interaction with other characters. Him and Korgan get along fairly well too

However, he is also an incredibly utility character. He is great for finding, disarming, and setting traps. He is also great for debuff the mages. Can you say time stop trap?

Breach, Ruby Ray of reversal, send in Korgan and Sarevok and a few hits and you have a gibbed mage

Not to mention he can do some good damage with Firetooth, and its upgrade, since he is proficient with x-bow.

Secondly, Haer'Dalis. I think he makes this game LESS aggrevating. Once he gets to 3 million, take the Enhanced Bard song and have him sing the rest of the game. +4THAC0, +4 Damage, immune to all sorts of nasty effects, and give him - 10 AC as well. How can you afford not to have him in your party!

There you have it. A tribute to two great characters, who usually get overlooked.

Cheers
G

Nightmare · #2 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 10:13 AM

Don't know where you got the idea that Jan is underated.

Gawayn · #3 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 10:16 AM

Most people seem to only use him out of neccessity, since he is the only active thief in the game. And he gets bad mouthed some times.

G
'Friend of the little people'

Xyx · #4 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 11:09 AM

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Ruby Ray of reversal

Is that actually needed?

gecko · #5 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 12:27 PM

I understand your reason for posting this up....

I on the other hand, can't live without Jan, if I am not a theif. A great theif, and his backstabbing actually grows with time.

BTW, HD is almost always overlooked, because he is a blade not a bard. Most people see him fighting in the front line. When, in actuallity they forget what Bards do best, entertain. They are entertainers by birth. I agree whole heartedly with you.

Xyx · #6 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 01:22 PM

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they forget what Bards do best, entertain.

Two tanks, a healer, a thief, a spellslinger and... an entertainer?

Not exactly the line-up I had in mind.

Nightmare · #7 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 02:37 PM

Although he should get the use any item ability. Hummmm, HD wielding Carsomyr...

Gawayn · #8 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 07:34 PM

HD also levels like a madman. Although I do not think he can set traps, so he gets stuck with a bunch of crappy alchemy skills

But immunity to fear, and stun is great. Most mages do symbol, fear, and stun most of the time. So you are not affected by that. He also gives my main (mage) Jan, and Vic that extra boost to damage thac0 and AC. He is also great for his mage spells.

3 Cheers for HD

G

#9 (**permalink**) 06-28-2001, 09:18 PM

You make good points, except I just find Jan terribly annoying. I tried to keep him, I wanted to keep him, but he finally told one story too many and I sent him packing.

And I think Bards will always be overlooked in AD&D, often unfairly so, just because most people don't see a harp strumming adventurer as very "cool".

Xyx · #10 (**permalink**) 06-29-2001, 07:44 AM

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most people don't see a harp strumming adventurer as very "cool".

That and the fact that they're jacks-of-all-trades, yet masters of none.

I don't need a character that supports the others, I'd rather have one that's good at what he does. I have no need for yet another character that can summon monsters or cast True Sight, but I can always use a healer or a tank.

Aerie and Jan may not be the best Mage, Thief or Cleric in the game, but they're no way near as bad a Cleric or Thief as Haer'Dalis is a bad Mage.