G3 Tweakpack help request - romance and stronghold tweaks not working

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

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Originally Posted by Stworca Multiple romance tweaks are the main source of 95% of compatibility problems. Play through the game twice / three times instead of risking game crashes, dialogue buggs and more. Spoiler (Saeri romance was nice, but it forced me to conquer the drow city instead of do it sneaky way. She got kidnapped when i was supposed to arive at Phaere's within one hour ^^)

I've played it through a few times, this is just the first replay in a few years. The only glitch I've had so far was the multi-stronghold Keep not working (from the same Tweakpack) and a bunch of mages in the Slums with a dialogue file for names, none of whom have done anything besides stand there so I'm not too fussed. Still need to play through with Xan a bit.

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Originally Posted by Jordoo Saerileth is not compatable with multiple romance if memory serves, might have something to do with the distortion which I've never experianced. How could you even think about needing any other romance if you had Saerileth? Seriously you must be very evil have you ever seen what happens to her if you cheat on her? If your going to romance Saerileth alow her to be your beaken as she's meant to be. The gods may not be able to get involved directly with the Bhaal spawn but it seems Tyre had a special chosen one for just that purposs. If you have Saerileth's love what else could you possibly need?

Maybe I'm just misunderstood.
I heard she dies - I was going to take her through and cheat on her just to see it but I figured Imoen needed the extra XP more.
As a practical matter, my core party for this run-through is CN elf archer PC, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen, and Jan (who is my all-time favourite NPC), with rotating quest NPCs for SoA and Sarevok to be the sixth member in ToB.
The fact that you can't drop Saeri even for a little while means once you pick her up you're stuck with her, so I couldn't do any other NPC quests and still develop my core party (without Imprison or the gibbet). She jumps on you as soon as she sees you so you can't pick her up at your convenience, and the fact that she doesn't have a short, simple quest means I can't take her, help her solve her problem, and then leave her with Mazzy to continue adventuring for goodness as I did with Valygar, Minsc, Haer'Dalis and Aerie (they're just standing around the Fentan home right now but I'm sure they'll get the idea sooner or later, Mazzy did want to create another party after all). Since she's very much Lawful Good she wouldn't fit in with my sneaky, uber-pragmatic, chaos-loving CN PC, so in this case she's a lousy choice as a party member (I have Jaheira and my PC, together with the occasional summons that's more than enough melee power for SoA), a character (doesn't fit with the Party vibe), and as a romantic interest (my PC doesn't like paladins, they cramp his style). Basically, if you take her Saerileth steals the show and she and my PC dance to very different tunes.
Also, evil is sexier than good, Viconia's hotter, and my elf PC prefers mature elven lovers to innocent, sheltered 15-year old human paladins.

That said, I am going to give Saeri a full whirl for my next game. I've rolled up a human Cavalier (name of Zap Freako, using the Zap Brannigan soundset and modelled on the same) especially for doing Saerileth. It'll be my Lawful Stupid knight campaign, with PC, Saerileth, and (Sir) Anomen. I'm not sure on the rest of the roster yet - I'll probably go with Aerie, Minsc and Imoen for the full-o'-goodness with all bases covered routine (3 fighter-types, 1 1/2 mages, 1 1/2 Clerics, 1 Thief), but I really want to take Keldorn for a full-of-Knights party along with Xan to be my Kif-equivalent.

So my current planned party setups are either Zap Freako (PC/melee), Saerileth (romance/melee), Anomen (melee/cleric), Aerie (backup mage/cleric), Minsc (melee/Aerie's protector), and Imoen (Thief/main mage), or...
PC, Saerileth, Anomen, Keldorn (melee/mage-killer), Xan (main mage/long-suffering sole voice of reason), Imoen (Thief/backup mage).

On the sound bit, having read up on the Worst of the Worst thread on Gamefaqs it's pretty obviously just a recording thing - my best friend is a sound technician and it sounds just like it was recorded a bit too close to the microphone is all. The Bard in Dungeon-Be-Gone has the same thing - credit where credit's due, both are still well done, it's just the Bioware NPCs are professionally recorded in-studio by accomplished career voice-actors.

[Jordoo]

You should be an Inquisitor rather than a Cavaleir for that Saerileth party, IMO.

I was just screwing with you about Saerileth, because she is almost my favorite romanceable NPC mod .... and I actually cannot bring myself to do anything bad to her when I've played after that first time when I slept with Phaeri

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

If it makes you feel better I'm sure Edorem managed to singlehandedly save her and they lived happily ever after.

The reviews I've heard have been along the lines of either very good or very bad, no in-betweens, so I'm looking forward to seeing it for myself. From what I've gathered she'd be great in the right kind of party/campaign - and it'd be nice to see the Purifier get some use for a change - but if you're playing anything other than uber-heroic charging-at-windmills she won't really work.
She destroyed my imported Blackrazor fer crying out loud!

Still, some new content will be welcome and I haven't actually done a righteous run before, so it should be interesting.

[Jordoo]

It makes me feel so much worse thinking that F*** Edorem has anything to do with Saerileth.

I think if you read the reviews you'll see that the bad reviews are mostly geered around either her age, her voice or just not liking the fact that a Paladin is not going to do certain things and will have a strong personality. But I think even those peopel would be hard pressed to say its not one of the better made Mods out there.

As far as her destroying Blackrazor I like it in the context of her character, she'll also react to really good items as well.

[fable]

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Originally Posted by Jordoo I think if you read the reviews you'll see that the bad reviews are mostly geered around either her age, her voice or just not liking the fact that a Paladin is not going to do certain things and will have a strong personality. But I think even those peopel would be hard pressed to say its not one of the better made Mods out there.

It's been a while since I tried this mod out for some time, but as I recall, I had three issues with it. The first was a matter of overly quick romance progression mixed with delicate poetry, in the middle of a rugged war campaign on the roads and down in mines. It just seemed a bit too much of verbal finery for the location, and it came on too quickly. I think that if Saerileth had advanced been slower stages to that point, I would have been more receptive.

The second is poor scoping out of the player's actions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you attacked by Blackrazor, who is literally unbeatable until Saerileth's former lover shows up? As I recall, I wasted out nearly my entire group attacking him. The conditions weren't clear that you were going after someone who is literally unbeatable by your party. And I frankly have problems with unbeatables in games. If they're on the playing field, you should be able to kill them.

My third issue was the depiction of actions as narrated lines in present tense in dialog boxes. This isn't the way the game handles actions, and it sticks out by breaking the format.

Yeah, I know this all sounds like I didn't like it, but really, it is a good mod, a consistent one, and well done for its type.

[Jordoo]

Fable,
Saerileth will fall in love with you right away but the relationship doesn't go committed until you tell her you love her which you can take your time with. And yes her idea of romance is right out off books and plays thus the poetry and such. I agree whole heartedly on how it blows to need Edorem to help you kill that one enemy and how Edorem is basicallyy imortal being a proxy and all. Parentheticals don't bother me but I know alot of people don't like them. Anyways you make my point well for me its a very well done mod with a consistant characte wether its your cup of tea or not.