Backstabbing?

Fer'or · #1 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 12:58 AM

Howdy.

How do I backstab? Do I just have to make my thief hide in the shadows and hit the enemy in the back? Because I didn't get any strange message when I tried that.

Harbinger · #2 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 01:03 AM

Yes thats all there is to it, use either hide in shadow or invisibility to get behind enemy and stab away. Note you must be directly behind enemy for this to work. Oh yah and you must have the proper weapon equiped like dagger, shortsword, katana, or longsword.

Stilgar · #3 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 01:53 AM

The weapons you canuse for backstabbing have to be usable by thieves. (so staffs and clubs work to).
But not the staff of magi cause it's only usable by mages

Fer'or · #4 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 11:56 AM

Wow, didn't expect it to be so easy. Thanks!

Phantom Lord · #5 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 03:43 PM

Be careful, backstabbing may lead to severe addiction ...

Stilgar · #6 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Phantom Lord
Be careful, backstabbing may lead to severe addiction ...

And who do you think you are to say that
*hides in shadows*

Try it with the staff of striking sometime (can be purchased in the temple district)

CrownHead · #7 (**permalink**) 01-15-2004, 05:12 PM

While we're on the subject of backstabbing and this conversation doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I was wondering,

If you have a cleric/thief and you summon a spiritual hammer, can you backstab with it?

Stilgar · #8 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by CrownHead
If you have a cleric/thief and you summon a spiritual hammer, can you backstab with it?

Nope a hammer (also a conjured one) is not usable by thiefes.

Luis Antonio · #9 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 08:36 AM

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Nope a hammer (also a conjured one) is not usable by thiefes.

Can you imagine a Crom Fayr backstab? Wow...

I've never tried this, but can Rangers backstab???

Numinor · #10 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 08:39 AM

No, they can't.
The Stalker (Ranger Kit) can do a weaker backstab, up to x3 damage (thieves can get up to x5, assassins up to x7)

Mirk · #11 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 10:32 AM

actually, stalker's backstab multiplyer goes up to x4...

CrownHead · #12 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 11:39 AM

For some reason in the first game you could backstab with a spiritual hammer.

Stalkers backstab goes up to x4? Is this another one of those benefits that's left out in the character details?

Fer'or · #13 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 03:12 PM

So my ranger (who can hide in shadows) can't backstab?

Bummer

nephtu · #14 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 03:48 PM

No more than an invisible fighter or mage could.

Stalker kit Rangers and thieves (but not swashbucklers) can backstab when using thief-usable weapons in the main hand - and they must be invisible / hide in shadows / misled, etc. - and typically behind the target.

Backstab will not work on creatures with innate see invis (demons, ilithids, dragons) and some creatures, such as golems are immune.

JackOfClubs · #15 (**permalink**) 01-16-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Fer'or
So my ranger (who can hide in shadows) can't backstab?

Bummer

Well you can still get a free hit in because they won't attack until after you strike. And a Ranger will have a much better thac0 than a thief.

A nice strategy I use is to have the ranger act as spotter for a mage casting area effect spells (preferably Abi Dalzim or something else that won't harm the Ranger). Then when the enemy has been softened up, he can take down at least one of them without a fight. I guess this is all kind of obvious, but my point is that the inability to use the backstab multiplier is not the only factor in evaluating the Ranger's stealth ability.