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03-18-2008, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GawainBS  DesRes, without screenshots, we can only judge on the the description of the game's setting, which at least *sounds* original. | And that's about it. A mere name and a vague description isn't enough to get me interested in the game, unless they can show some screens or videos to back it up.
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03-19-2008, 12:05 AM
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| | | I've never heard of this project up until this moment. A spy-thriller? Sounds nice but for some reason my brain conjures images of brainless Jason Bourne... Or was that James Bond? And everything is in black and grey and bloody red. A truckload of guns. Casual sex with everything that moves. Medpacks and ammo behind ashtrays and urinals. Bad guys with funny accents. World domination.
I'll bet my best fake ID it's gonna be the Game of the Year.
Why do you guys hate KOTOR2? Both were kinda kiddie games, but at least KOTOR2 appeared less kiddie than the original KOTOR, with a better story and better NPCs (Kreia). Not my favorite games, but worth playing once (and only once).
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03-19-2008, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady Dragonfly I've never heard of this project up until this moment. A spy-thriller? Sounds nice but for some reason my brain conjures images of brainless Jason Bourne... Or was that James Bond? And everything is in black and grey and bloody red. A truckload of guns. Casual sex with everything that moves. Medpacks and ammo behind ashtrays and urinals. Bad guys with funny accents. World domination.
I'll bet my best fake ID it's gonna be the Game of the Year.
Why do you guys hate KOTOR2? Both were kinda kiddie games, but at least KOTOR2 appeared less kiddie than the original KOTOR, with a better story and better NPCs (Kreia). Not my favorite games, but worth playing once (and only once). | I don't KotOR II, not even by a stretch. I just feel cheated when I see the glaring bugs and unfinished contents in what could have been an excellent, tremendously good game. Now it's solid, but it could have been so much more. |
03-19-2008, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady Dragonfly <snip>
Why do you guys hate KOTOR2? Both were kinda kiddie games, but at least KOTOR2 appeared less kiddie than the original KOTOR, with a better story and better NPCs (Kreia). Not my favorite games, but worth playing once (and only once). | I agree pretty much. KOTOR2 was for me much better game then KOTOR1, despite the bugs. KOTOR was way too predictable, too ... well, yeah "kiddie" and console like.
As for NwN versus NwN2 then NwN2 was a way better game then the original NwN was. It wasn't until the third expansion pack that NwN actually became a quality game. I have no issues with Obsidian as they've provided good games. Their main issue does indeed look to be with "polish", and that is a minor thing compared to so many other areas where problems could be located.
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03-19-2008, 06:01 PM
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-"There is running and gunning…"
-Skills will go from trained agent level to "comic book style near-superhuman" as described in the magazine. They then reference Bond, Bauer and Bourne to make it seem less bat**** crazy.
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Hey, looks like I could make a fortune on fortune-telling. 
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I don't KotOR II, not even by a stretch. I just feel cheated when I see the glaring bugs and unfinished contents in what could have been an excellent, tremendously good game. Now it's solid, but it could have been so much more.
| The ultimate irony: unfinished and bugged, yet better than its more polished predecessor. Not that I approve of sloppy job.
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03-20-2008, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady Dragonfly The ultimate irony: unfinished and bugged, yet better than its more polished predecessor. Not that I approve of sloppy job. | Couldn't disagree more, I found it much worse. All a matter of personal taste and playing style preference I guess, but in my opinion Obsidian haven't got a clue what 'Role Playing game' means.They also have an infuriating habit of foisting NPCs on you without you being able to do anything about it.
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03-20-2008, 03:47 AM
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| | That goes for both games. 
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03-20-2008, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tricky That goes for both games. | Both KOTOR games do you mean? If so, I have to agree in part regarding foisting NPCs on you. It infuriated me the way that you're forced to use Bastila on the Leviathan just so she could jump in to rescue Malak as I was about to kill him. But IMO, it was even worse in KOTOR 2. I might have been persuaded that it was all down to Lucas Arts handing them both the script and insisting they kpt strictly to the storyline, after all Bioware weren't anywhere near as bad in the BG series. However NWN2 finished Obsidian for me, no excuse for forcing NPCs on you the way they did in that game, with no regard to role-playing or alignment, totally unacceptable to me.
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03-20-2008, 04:13 AM
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| | | Hm. Yeah. I didn't really think about it until now, but I feel I agree. Same feelings toward NWN2, although I haven't gotten too far with the expansion yet too know if they do it again (I promised myself wait another expansion or two until the prestige classes start making sense).
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03-20-2008, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by galraen However NWN2 finished Obsidian for me, no excuse for forcing NPCs on you the way they did in that game, with no regard to role-playing or alignment, totally unacceptable to me. | Geez, in NWN2 you get a party of four, and sometimes you have to take one specific companion with you for one particular task. Galraen sounds like Obsidian used to beat him up in high school.
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03-20-2008, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by swcarter Galraen sounds like Obsidian used to beat him up in high school. | And the SYM award for best use of allegory goes to.. 
I think he does have a point. These games all hint at the possibility that you may not like having them around, at which point the npc's suddenly go into ultra-annoying mode to join you anyway. Even if you leave the Tiefling to her assailants, even if you scold her and make it clear you're about to toss her aside, even then she somehow still ends up in your 'possession'. Must be the Stockholm syndrome or something.
One of the first things I ever did in Baldur's Gate was to kill Imoen because I couldn't figure out how to get her out of my party. Oh, 'and I was evil anyway'. Why not?
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03-20-2008, 07:55 PM
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| | Well, I've already mentioned both KOTORs are not exactly my cup of tea. I played them once. They were mildly entertaining and I liked a couple of NPC but you cannot pay me enough to replay these kiddie games. However, if I were held at gunpoint by fanboys, there is a chance that I would've chosen KOTOR2.
I share your opinion about NWN2, Galraen and Tricky. Feargus Urquhart shapeshifted... Do you have reason to believe that the brilliant idea of foisting extremely annoying NPC on your char originated within Obsidian?
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Would you like a spoiler?
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03-21-2008, 12:31 AM
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03-21-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by swcarter Geez, in NWN2 you get a party of four, and sometimes you have to take one specific companion with you for one particular task. Galraen sounds like Obsidian used to beat him up in high school.
SWC | Er, have you actually played the game SWC? One particular task? Sure, if by one particular task you mean the whole game! First you get stuck with a Psycho Chaotic Neutral Dwarf (with delusional desires to be a monk!!!), then a CN Tiefling followed by tree huggers, evil mages/paladins (your choice as to which is unacceptable) etc., etc..
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03-21-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by swcarter Geez, in NWN2 you get a party of four, and sometimes you have to take one specific companion with you for one particular task. | Yeah, I don't particularly have a problem with this style of NPC design. You, essentially, get to chose who you interact seriously with and it enables NPCs to play a bigger role in a game than they otherwise would, by being part of a scripted event or plot point. My estimate is that if you don't like this model of NPC design and utilization, you probably won't care for any Bioware and Obsidian games. So, it just means their respective game flavors won't be to your taste and you should avoid them entirely. But, others actually do find their method of dealing with and crafting NPCs entertaining. So, if this model is employed in Alpha Protocol, I think it would be fine. Quote:
Originally Posted by swcarter Galraen sounds like Obsidian used to beat him up in high school. | And, by the way, that made me laugh.... | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread |  Linear Mode | | 
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