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Originally Posted by dots67 1 It does not make sense. Sure, the number of kindred must be balanced with the number of mortals. Lets say the the optimum for LA is 1000 kindred. If there are 1100, then making another one is a risk. Then just kill a childe, what's the problem? Why sacrifice an old blood? If the number of Kindred is less then an optimum, then I dont see a problem at all.. |
That one makes sense from a political and power point of view. If making a childe just gets the childe killed, theres no reason not to make one willy nilly... If the worst that happens is a slap on the wrist and a dead vampire, big deal. If, however, your head is on the line... God forbid!! Most Kindred laws have only a few outcomes... Blood Bond, Exile, Debt or Death.
Also, this is a FANTASTIC way to get rid of your enemies and create power vacumes and such. Lets face it, Bob the Elder is never going to step down as Keeper Of Elyisum, however if someone were to find out that his childe Susan was created before persmission was obtained... Pow, one less enemy, one less keeper and a spot you can fill. Yummy.
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And Caitiff... If they all were a result of an illegal embrace... Remember guys on the beach in Santa Monica? The Camarilla law did not care about them. Only Velvet V asked to kill one of them... What's about Lilly and E. ("vampires in love")?
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Some, very rare Caitiff are created because blood is just too weak to hold any sign of clan linage, but yes, most Caitiff are made by illegal Embraces gone wrong... Which is why VV can have them killed if she wants, and why they keep getting chased off beaches with death threats, and why you can pretty much do with them as you like... They aren't protected by Cammerilla law, so you can kill, use maime, torment, imprision, threaten and bond them all you like. Most vampires wont kill a Caitiff on sight for no good reason because:
1) The Cammerilla doesn't want a bad name with the clanless vampires it has in it's ranks... It wants them to play along and be good kiddies and obey.
2) You are breeching the law when you kill another vampire without the princes permission, even as you are upholding the law by killing clanless, illegaly sired vampires. If the prince likes you or doesn't find out, you're in the clear... If he or someone in power has reason NOT to like you.. Well, suffice to say that "Killing a clanless scum vampire for the good of the cammerilla" can quickly be re-worded as "Killing a vampire".
3) You never know when one of them is going to go all Chuck Norris on you and turn out to have been Embraced 500 years ago, or suddenly whip out several new fangled explosives and blow you to high hell... Frankly, theres no reason to kill another vampire if you don't have to, because it just risks your neck... Heck, what if they get away and come back with a blood hungry pack of Diablorists??
4) You just don't know whos toes your stepping on. Sammy the most acient and powerful vampire on earth may have made Misty a vampire in a fit of passion and realised his mistake, but he may also still love Misty and watch over her... Heaven help the Vampire who kills a Catiff who turns out to have an important sire who was secretly tracking their progress, or who turns out to be a Tremere experiment sanctioned by the Prince... Or heck, just turns out to be a local, offical Kindred who you've never seen before!!
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He IS a ghoul - of Lilly. She was locked in a room and tied to a chair, and he drank her blood... remember?
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I don't think he was drinking her blood, if he was he would be blood bound and forced to obey her and want nothing more then to free her... But latter posters point out he was maybe the Malakavians ghoul. Makes sense... I didn't want to say for sure he was or wasn't beacuse the only evidence I remembered was the character saying "It's been a while since I tried ghoul blood"... And honestly, what the hell would your 1 night old whelp vampire character know about how to spot a ghoul? Cripes, he didn't even know how to MAKE one.
