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Originally Posted by dots67

About generations. From the game I remember : “If you are from the 5th generation, your blood is strong, if you are from the 50th, you can barely qualify as a vampire”.

If they are worrying about the Caitiffs, isn’t it more logical to give a right of siring to the eldest vampires only?

So what about Jack, Prince, what generations are they ?

Prince was not strong at all, I played all endings, he did not resist when I cut his throat, and did not try to fight Kei-Jin. Why?

Yes, it makes sense that only the most potent vampires should be allowed to create vampires... However, imagine that your a younger vampire, and your master tells you that you can NEVER make another vampire.

Always alone.
Can never have a power base of loyal childe.
Will never be able to garner status through your childes actions.

Suffice to say, the younger generations would go Through The Roof!! This is, in part, the reason why many Clanless Vampires get made in the first place... A moment of passion, a wrong choice, lonleyness.. But you know your elders will kill you and the childe, so you leave it and run away... Hey pretso, Cattiff... EVERYWHERE...

I don't know why the Prince doesn't fight back, I assume because you beat the police, the sherif, the Kindred of the East, and now you've come for him and his Dominate just wont work... He likley gives up in sorrow and disgust. He doesn't fight his own battles because, like all Venture, he has someone who can do it for him, so he doesn't have to risk his neck.

Whats about the ghouls? Don’t they violate the Masquerade? And the guy “vandal” in the Blood bank – based on the Camarilla law, he must be killed !

Ghouls are a close call. Some cities demand that you present and request permission to create a ghoul, others view it as "If you have them present long enough to pour a point of blood down their throat, you can take care of them if they get out of hand." Obviously, most Ghouls are aware of vampires (Some aren't, they just get the "Speical drugs" once a month) and because of their undying love (Blood Bond) they will NEVER give up the secret. You can burn the truth out of a mortal, but anyone whos blood bound is loyal Beyond Death! Nothing will make a ghoul betray it's master, even Dominate has been known to fail.

The guy at the Blood Bank might BE a ghoul... Likley working for some vampire who garners favours by giving out the red juice to Kindred in desperation... Or he might just be a well paied idiot. Either way, he is likley sufficently underthumb that he isn't a risk to the Masquerade... In fact, given one of the conversation options with him, I think he is likley well paied and kept in place with a healthy dose of what Kindred do best... Fear!

Another question. What did LaCroix expected to find in the sarcophagus? Yes, I know, an older vampire. But in what state? In a hibernation, like in the Underworld? In that case, there is almost no blood in it! He could reanimate the elder, give him fresh blood, but in that case the awaken elder would be no match for him - he would kill LaCroix

He really really really really REALLY hoped there might be an Antedeluvian in there... One of the Vampires who founded the great clans... So acient and powerful that they can rule the world from their slumber (Torpor) and control vampires actions in an acient war against each other called The Jyhad. No doubt LaCroix hoped he could drain the vampire of their soul and power and become as strong as the acients... Or bargin the elder off to some soul or another for even more power...

Good point.
I guess Selene should be very confused with computers and other high-tech stuff. Even with driving a car

P.S.
As Lucita apparently does not want to watch the movie, I can give her a spoiler. In the second movie she has diabelized her grand-grand-sire, so I believe she has improved her stats. She even got some resistance to the sunlight. But she is only 600, not 800 years old.

Well, as you said, Underworld isn't Vampire: The Masquerade, so maybe in underworld vampires are just the same as people and keep up with modern technology more easily... Don't find themselves becoming jaded by the constantly changing world...

Oh, and Acleacius:

Vampires attributes and abilitys only stretch from 1-5 as well, they are as limited as mortals... There are however ways around this for them.

1) They can spend a blood to increase their physical stats by 1 for a scene. This means they can increase them to 6 - 10. At the end of the scene (Or sooner) they drop back to their original state... But this does mean vampires can spend a little blood to crush their enemies with inhuman strength, amazing relfexes and speed, or by just ignoring things that are done to them.

2) Vampires whos blood is strong (7th or better generation) become less and less human and more and more supernatural as they age. It becomes possable for all their attributes and abilitys to go over 5 and remain there forever. This means Elder vampires are God like in many regards... While the strongest man on earth (5) may be able to pull a train with ropes attached to him, the most meger of the Elders might be able to pull it with one hand by the grill..