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Originally Posted by pennypincher Just to be clear here, there is a VAST distinction bewteen modern philosophy and it's view on political "Anarchy"... And V:TM's "Anarchs".
While only Nines and Skelt may conform to your strict defination of Anarchs, all the characters presented in the game are "Anarchs", because they have turned against their clans political affiliation in favour of an ideal of Vampire Freedom under an elected leader... Usualy a "Baron" like Issac.
Now, I understand... And did so before the debate... That this isn't the perfect ideal of Anarchy and isn't the original concept that the term stems from, however the games does go into detail covering these facts (In the books anyway) and the different factions inside the anarchs who want one of the many different kinds of society that can exist. It is covered that they never honestly strived for a "government free", and just adapte the term "Anarchs' because the Cammerilla dubbed them to be so, mocking them with the fact that if there was no Cammerilla, as they seemed to wish, they would be no order and rules at all... Just children running wild.
Obviously, in real life in the modern world there aren't many people who conform to the Anarch concept with any real seriouness... Most people recognise that people, if left to their own devices, wouldn't live in perfect harmony. Sensationalists and scare mongers try and advocate it from time to time, but anyone who is serious about it usualy tempers it with a healthy dose of logic as well. |
That's fine, I know next to nothing about the Pen-n-Paper V:TM and won't argue how the term "Anarch" got coined or how the group started, but this debate was about whether or not the "Anarchs" are actual "Anarchists" (which necesitates believing in the conept of "Anarchy"): we know they're "Anarchs", in the V:TM sense of the term becasue they say they are.
As for people being "Anarchists" in real life I'd argue that there are plenty of them alive today: numbers and common sense say so at least. They may be sensationalists as well, but not everyone who believes in the concept of political "Anarchy" is a scaremonger: Jean-Jacques Rousseau may very well be considered an "Anarchist" and I'd say he was a pretty rational being (not a "scaremonger" at least), a genius even. That's not to say I'd necessarily agree with that assesment, but it does at least hold some water...
@ Hill and Fable: Nothing brings me greater pleasure than seeing the two of you move a thread...
