[Aegis]

It's kind've funny. I came back here, seeing you post, getting ready to fight you tooth and nail, but, I pretty much saw you expand, and explain the very notion I presented simply, in that these rights are not unalienable, and should not be expected, that they have to be earned in some manner. With this partiucalr instance, as you went into detail about, survival. IF we do nothing, and just expect to be given these rights, well, we're gonna die. Everyone has to earn these rights (of which, I like to think more of as Civic Privledges).

Now, I realize that you still maintain a somewhat different idea of what constitutes earning these privledges then I do, and you presented your case nicely, with a very clear analogy. I just happen to think a little bit more militantly on the matter, believing that these privledges should be more difficult to obtain, and earn, rather then be given.